A thought on learning

[Centh]

Lol. Like a book?

No.
Any old jackass can write a book and never touch spirituality. Sadhguru, the liar, has done it more times than everyone on the server combined. I mean via magick. I can pretend I have power, too. But what do I have to show for it?

Manifestations. Psychic abilities. Literally anything that involves those can qualify. Did you know that 500,000 - 1million books are published annually?

 

[Öwnchef]

You should have been more precise. I did show in the past. People saw it. A lot indeed.
Now, I am not your clown. You were not there. Not my fault.

 

[Centh]

You should have been more precise. I did show in the past. People saw it. A lot indeed.
Now, I am not your clown. You were not there. Not my fault.

I wasn't asking for proof.

Lady Eva, an ex moderator of the BALG forum, taught me a lot about magick. She said that the point of magick was to affect the physical world. Even if I was the Grand Chancellor of Jarl Balgruf's many legions, and I could astral project and whatever, it all means nothing if I do not have anything physical to relate it to.

I was taught that path by a person that I trust very much.

 

[Centh]

I'll give an example: I have mildly affective intuition. It's definitely more reliable than fringe guessing. I once guessed 14 coin flips correctly in a row, that's probably the most tangible way to demonstrate it. Guessing 14 coin flips in a row is a 1/2^14 chance, or as a %, a 0.0061% chance. I can make myself get really good rolls in Dragon Ball Z: Dokkan Battle. That's pretty much the extent of it.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

I recall in my teens being told concepts like the Bible wasn't 100 percent true and hell wasn’t forever, I fought these concepts, I suppose that at the time I actively fought to remain in the religious indoctrination I was raised in.

it wasn’t till I was in my 30s that I began to slowly let go of the concept of eternal hell, the need for a savior, etc. the reason I mention this is because I recall a wise Rabbi say that if you study the sacred texts of the Kabbalah you won’t grasp it till you are meant too

supposedly there are spirits that guard the sacred Kabbalah from people learning them. Maybe because There is a danger of people learning the texts and misusing them. (read the story of The Four who entered the Pardes.)

This may be the reason as to why many cultures venerate the need for a teacher, guru, master. to gate keep...sometimes for good reasons sometimes for bad. I have noticed that in our modern times...the secrets that were hidden are slowly becoming revealed by great teachers like Sadhguru, Rabbi Ariel Bar Tzadok, etc

No, one doesn't need a teacher, but it makes it a lot easier having one, at least a teacher that knows what they're talking about.

 

[Mider2009]

No, one doesn't need a teacher, but it makes it a lot easier having one, at least a teacher that knows what they're talking about.

You said you had a teacher, now you don’t need one

do you ever stop rambling Bullshit?

 

[Öwnchef]

Good. Then I will explain what I mean.

 

[Öwnchef]

Magic is an art. So Magicians will always move towards arts. Wizards don't, so be a bit careful here. At one day a magician will become an artist. A musician, a writer, a painter, a poet.

 

[Centh]

Magic is an art. So Magicians will always move towards arts. Wizards don't, so be a bit careful here. At one day a magician will become an artist. A musician, a writer, a painter, a poet.

Quite lofty and fun, but it doesn't really mean anything tangible to me. Magick is a science, right? You can measure and record it.

 

[Öwnchef]

A Mystic is a part of religion. They move forward to science. Never accepted by science but they try anyway.
The tangible part happens there. You would not ask an artist for something tangible.

 

[Öwnchef]

Magic is not a science. That is wrong. Religion tries to be a science.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Quite lofty and fun, but it doesn't really mean anything tangible to me. Magick is a science, right? You can measure and record it.

You could try producing an alchemical stone. Say. Lemongrass.

 

[Öwnchef]

Or do you go to a theater or museum to touch something? That is nonsense.

 

[Öwnchef]

More modern Gurus will invite you to scepticism. They sell books so that doesn't hurt them.

 

[Öwnchef]

As long as you buy their stuff..

 

[Öwnchef]

I don't know about that Balg. But that is not magic. Might be mysticism.

 

[Centh]

I don't know about that Balg. But that is not magic. Might be mysticism.

What?

 

[Centh]

A Mystic is a part of religion. They move forward to science. Never accepted by science but they try anyway.
The tangible part happens there. You would not ask an artist for something tangible.

Yes I would. Magick is to make results, so is art. It's just that magick is not entirely art.

 

[Öwnchef]

There are results of course. Like with Arts. Nothing in a Mona Lisa you would put in a wheelbarrow without looking like an idiot.

 

[Öwnchef]

What?

Balg