Blackpill is disgusting, especially from a spiritual stand-point

[BrooklynShaman]

Again, I don't know if this is the right forum to post my little rant about, but I believe it is still on-topic in a way.

I find the whole thing about blackpill to be absolutely revolting and especially individuals like Clavicular.

Yes, looks are an important part but the problem lies in this worship of the flesh. As someone who has had a sort of Near Death Experience, I can assure that everything that is material, dies in the dirt, including the body.

By no means am I saying that you should neglect the body; the body itself is a vehicle for you to experience the world but by no means you should start worshiping the body as the Self. I frequently partake in meditation for long periods of time and eventhough I haven't reached any Enlightened state, I do feel like the human mind is much more than muscles and bones.

In Advaita Vedanta, the Self or Atman is the witness to everything; it is that which remains untouched by the plowing of time and as such, is the same as the eternal Brahman that is the bedrock of existence itself; Tat Tvam Asi or Thou Art That, the realization of which leads to satchitananda or the bliss of true knowledge.

Kashmir Shaivism takes this a step further and argues that the material world is an expression of Shiva and that every individual is Shiva contracting Himself to experience the bliss or ananda of recognizing ones trueself. Art produces Rasa or an effect on the perceiver who, moved by the art in front of them, experience the bliss of Shiva, making art, poetry, music and other artforms as legimate ways to achieve moksha or liberation.

Tantra transgresses societal norms as it considers everything to be divine, including sex and wine; though they must not be indulgent for the sake of it but as paths to liberation. Sex, especially, is incredibly sacred as it is the closest two human bodies can come together (no pun intended) to experience a mutual bliss.

What the above traditions point out is that the Self is much more expansive than the body but the body shouldn't be discarded but instead celebrated in a way that allows you to see your own vastness. Blackpill reduces the soul to the body and as seen in the case of Clavicular, leads to a beautiful cage where the soul rots and dies. Blackpill, for me, is the ultimate indoctrination of the supremacy of the Ego and the Matter, both transient and inevitably bred for decay.

These people need to sit in a creamtion ground and see the proud skins of many be ravaged by fire and become indistinguishable from dust.

I am not that well verse on Western occultism (thus I lurk here) but I would love to know ehat Occultists think of Blackpill (if they think about it at all)

Thanks for reading my rant.

Shantih, shantih, shantih

 

[MorganBlack]

I hear ya.

Gen-X here, so I only know of Clavicular from SNL. Isn't he only 26 years old or so? Without making and had excuses for him, the 'ugly' thing he is now may be necessary for him to grow to be the beautiful thing he needs to be later.

I cut everyone under the age of 33 TONS of slack. But if you're still acting like a petulant child past age 40, then I will think there is something seriously wrong with you. In some Jewish spiritual traditions, you were only supposed to take them up after raising a family, having a child, and being an upstanding member of your community. Or it just encourages too much spiritual bypassing.

The Western path is being engaged with Maya. Here we take it seriously, as I like to say, that we are not humans having a spiritual experience; we are already spiritual beings having a human experience.

And some of that will be with all the ugliness. I will say we get better. In my experience, unless someone is a drug addict, narcissist, borderline, or psychopath, (the true "evil" ones) then we all usually become very decent people later in life, no matter our spiritual path. As Jung said, Life Itself is the path of Individuation. We can't avoid it even if we wanted to. (Assuming a person with a functional brain here, and not one with a Dark Triad brain disorder).

And plenty of spiritual people are totally horrible people. Look at Deepak Chopra hanging out with Epstein, or Japanese Rinzai Zen master Sasaki Roshi, who left decades of sexual misconduct and abuse of power that only came to light toward the end of his life. And I say this as someone who loves Zen. No spiritual path will "fix" or dissolve what Zen master Dr. Suzuki called the "Small Mind". We can only mitigate it. Clavicular is 'in' his Small self right now.

 

[Ananda]

And plenty of spiritual people are totally horrible people. Look at Deepak Chopra hanging out with Epstein, or Japanese Rinzai Zen master Sasaki Roshi, who left decades of sexual misconduct and abuse of power that only came to light toward the end of his life. And I say this as someone who loves Zen. No spiritual path will "fix" or dissolve what Zen master Dr. Suzuki called the "Small Mind".

I percieve nothing spiritual about the above two. There are plenty of fake Gurus out there. Many many buddhist monks who only keep the robes because they have no choice.

 

[Lu_CiD]

doesn't being black pilled refer to seeing human life as useless, and meaningless?

groups like O9A, NLM, etc are blackpilled not the looksmaxxers
am I wrong?

 

[sahgwa]

doesn't being black pilled refer to seeing human life as useless, and meaningless?

groups like O9A, NLM, etc are blackpilled not the looksmaxxers
am I wrong?

Thank you for asking, I am not too familiar with new slang. My understanding of black pill came recently as an offshoot of the Matrix mythology, being blue stay the same, red awaken and see. white be hopeful and positive and black simply being depressed and nihilistic. I was not aware it was some kind of trend or belief system having anything to do with bodily image.

 

[Lu_CiD]

its very nihilistic. and has been adopted by fascist and some edgy occult groups.

culling is a big part of thier practices or sacrificing non white ppl in a ritual context.

keeping up with the lingo is a pain for sure lol

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[sahgwa]

its very nihilistic. and has been adopted by fascist and some edgy occult groups.

culling is a big part of thier practices or sacrificing non white ppl in a ritual context.

keeping up with the lingo is a pain for sure lol

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That sounds silly

There is something to be said for the use for society in using groups like family, tribes, nation, race, for the purpose of cohesion and pride, so things function well and you dont have chaos. but killing anyone outside of whatever size group is always silly.

Do you have any proof of these groups practising or espousing sacrifice of specifically 'non white' people? sounds very sensationalistic if not true.

 

[Lu_CiD]

That sounds silly

There is something to be said for the use for society in using groups like family, tribes, nation, race, for the purpose of cohesion and pride, so things function well and you dont have chaos. but killing anyone outside of whatever size group is always silly.

Do you have any proof of these groups practising or espousing sacrifice of specifically 'non white' people? sounds very sensationalistic if not true.

yes. besides their own literature they operate in two main groups refered to as com and terrorgram. many sub groups exist but the use of the order of the nine angles philosophy, far right fascism, and nihilistic ideals are all common grounds.

there is one sub group called in English maniac murder crew that has been using the Ukranian Russian conflict to kill the head of that group was arrested for planninga terrorist attack on us children with a faction in that country.

764 another group uses exploitation of a sexual nature to exploit at risk kids with the main goal of producing child abuse material and finally getting g the victim to end their own life after a campaign of terror.

many if the members have been arrested but many many more still operate.

there are countless hours of video that they take from their victims but most is super illegal I have seen some of the I imitation videos of attacks on elderly ppl and stabbing stuff like that that they will edit with a specific esthetic they are fond of.
interpolation and the fbi have put out several warning about these groups. in the last year or so.

there is a ton im leaving out about how this all happend and its connection to the occult, whit supremacy, and black pill groups. but there are books on the subject and this one author does a great job keeping up with it. his name is Spencer sunshine

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[sahgwa]

yes. besides their own literature they operate in two main groups refered to as com and terrorgram. many sub groups exist but the use of the order of the nine angles philosophy, far right fascism, and nihilistic ideals are all common grounds.

there is one sub group called in English maniac murder crew that has been using the Ukranian Russian conflict to kill the head of that group was arrested for planninga terrorist attack on us children with a faction in that country.

764 another group uses exploitation of a sexual nature to exploit at risk kids with the main goal of producing child abuse material and finally getting g the victim to end their own life after a campaign of terror.

many if the members have been arrested but many many more still operate.

there are countless hours of video that they take from their victims but most is super illegal I have seen some of the I imitation videos of attacks on elderly ppl and stabbing stuff like that that they will edit with a specific esthetic they are fond of.
interpolation and the fbi have put out several warning about these groups. in the last year or so.

there is a ton im leaving out about how this all happend and its connection to the occult, whit supremacy, and black pill groups. but there are books on the subject and this one author does a great job keeping up with it. his name is Spencer sunshine

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Sounds very disgusting and not related to the true meaning of the occult at all. Just an excuse for weak minds to be assholes.
But yes, not sure how that relates to black pill unless these people are so nihilistic about life on Earth that they feel they should just spend their time being assholes cuz 'nothing matters.'
This kind of nihilistic , defeatist thinking is exactly what the Parasite Class / so called 'Elites' want from the hoi polloi. Makes them easier to divide and conquer.
Also, fascism is to my understanding a form of corporate or syndicate rule over national governments. Often using totalitarianism as a form of rule, so I am not sure how that would really tie into nihilism either. True black pill so called, in my opinion would be anarchy and survival of the fittest.
But we are getting maybe off topic.

 

[Lu_CiD]

they feel they should just spend their time being assholes cuz 'nothing matters.'

yes pretty much. that and they also are excused to act out sick rape and pedo fantasies. its a surprisingly big part of it

Also, fascism is to my understanding a form of corporate or syndicate rule over national governments. Often using totalitarianism as a form of rule

they absorbed neo national groups like attomwaffen so the ideas of the nazis and that brand of totalitarianism and fascism was added. but really its not 100% cohesive across all of the groups but the core idea is that there are these death chaos gods that they worship supposedly the true creators beings and through genocide ethnic cleansing and mass death a form.of government will then rise in the image of Hitler nazi Germany that will serve the ancient gods basically. but again there are different versions of this and some only want humanity to end other think that can be one with thier gods through rape torture and death. its all immature sickness tbh.

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the original order of the nine angles wasnt like that necessarily the head founder was a racist from the UK and that did influence his work allot but they were closer to a LHP cult than what they are now.

 

[sahgwa]

Very mixed up and misguided at any rate.

 

[Calacuerda]

Seems like your problem is just materialism, not blackpill. The truth is that most people, especially today, will live and only think about matter and material stuff. If you want to be a "normie": date, marry, hold a good job and be respected; improving your appearance is really a shortcut to achieve this goals(i mean, dating is literally an eugenist strugle to choose the "best" "genetics" for your children).

Now clavicular is just an grifter influencer that is overinvested on just apparence(and maybe is playing an character for money), but you can say that to every people that care to much about material stuff. my friends only care about gaming and gaming hardware, for exermple. it is a little bit disgusting.

(i know that natural selection =/= sexual selection but i will still call that eugenics)

 

[Lu_CiD]

Seems like your problem is just materialism, not blackpill. The truth is that most people, especially today, will live and only think about matter and material stuff. If you want to be a "normie": date, marry, hold a good job and be respected; improving your appearance is really a shortcut to achieve this goals(i mean, dating is literally an eugenist strugle to choose the "best" "genetics" for your children).

Now clavicular is just an grifter influencer that is overinvested on just apparence(and maybe is playing an character for money), but you can say that to every people that care to much about material stuff. my friends only care about gaming and gaming hardware, for exermple. it is a little bit disgusting.

(i know that natural selection =/= sexual selection but i will still call that eugenics)

I mean society as well know it needs to be radically changed yes. capitalists have robbed and raped to and excess. but, as hard as it is, I dont think the human race dying is the answer to any problem or at least not yet. and that all accelerationist/blackpill groups are working towards. it seem to just be playing into the hands of the elite few who will use their antics as a means to take more control and enforces the surveillance state.

its easy to become jaded, but its worth trying to change shit imo.

 

[Aeternus]

Again, I don't know if this is the right forum to post my little rant about, but I believe it is still on-topic in a way.

I find the whole thing about blackpill to be absolutely revolting and especially individuals like Clavicular.

Yes, looks are an important part but the problem lies in this worship of the flesh. As someone who has had a sort of Near Death Experience, I can assure that everything that is material, dies in the dirt, including the body.

By no means am I saying that you should neglect the body; the body itself is a vehicle for you to experience the world but by no means you should start worshiping the body as the Self. I frequently partake in meditation for long periods of time and eventhough I haven't reached any Enlightened state, I do feel like the human mind is much more than muscles and bones.

In Advaita Vedanta, the Self or Atman is the witness to everything; it is that which remains untouched by the plowing of time and as such, is the same as the eternal Brahman that is the bedrock of existence itself; Tat Tvam Asi or Thou Art That, the realization of which leads to satchitananda or the bliss of true knowledge.

Kashmir Shaivism takes this a step further and argues that the material world is an expression of Shiva and that every individual is Shiva contracting Himself to experience the bliss or ananda of recognizing ones trueself. Art produces Rasa or an effect on the perceiver who, moved by the art in front of them, experience the bliss of Shiva, making art, poetry, music and other artforms as legimate ways to achieve moksha or liberation.

Tantra transgresses societal norms as it considers everything to be divine, including sex and wine; though they must not be indulgent for the sake of it but as paths to liberation. Sex, especially, is incredibly sacred as it is the closest two human bodies can come together (no pun intended) to experience a mutual bliss.

What the above traditions point out is that the Self is much more expansive than the body but the body shouldn't be discarded but instead celebrated in a way that allows you to see your own vastness. Blackpill reduces the soul to the body and as seen in the case of Clavicular, leads to a beautiful cage where the soul rots and dies. Blackpill, for me, is the ultimate indoctrination of the supremacy of the Ego and the Matter, both transient and inevitably bred for decay.

These people need to sit in a creamtion ground and see the proud skins of many be ravaged by fire and become indistinguishable from dust.

I am not that well verse on Western occultism (thus I lurk here) but I would love to know ehat Occultists think of Blackpill (if they think about it at all)

Thanks for reading my rant.

Shantih, shantih, shantih

When it comes to blackpill, I think it is a really dangerous phenomenon that literally encourages too much worship on the flesh and materialistic aspects and also a lot of nihilism and destruction.

To think that all women are like the girl who cheated on you (theoretical) example, is a huge example of problem. This literally cuts the powers of Venus which focuses on forming harmonious and even romantic relationships.

For the obsessive attitude towards material aspects, I think they are really limiting man to achieve his/her success. We need both in order to exist harmoniously on this very Planet that we are on.

 

[Calacuerda]

I mean society as well know it needs to be radically changed yes. capitalists have robbed and raped to and excess. but, as hard as it is, I dont think the human race dying is the answer to any problem or at least not yet. and that all accelerationist/blackpill groups are working towards. it seem to just be playing into the hands of the elite few who will use their antics as a means to take more control and enforces the surveillance state.

its easy to become jaded, but its worth trying to change shit imo.

Oh, i am mostly talking about the blackpill on the context of looks and status, and not necessarily the nihilist and terrorist groups you described. In my view, blackpill is an descriptive idea rather than prescriptive. You can have objective morals(not a nihilist) but still think that society is boned because looks define society and blah blah. I guess it is probably better to call this version of blackpill "lookism" to avoid misunderstandings.

A lot of "lookists" that i see would call the "blackpill" you described(neo-fascist terrorism) "political-coping" in an derogatory manner.

 

[Lu_CiD]

Oh, i am mostly talking about the blackpill on the context of looks and status, and not necessarily the nihilist and terrorist groups you described. In my view, blackpill is an descriptive idea rather than prescriptive. You can have objective morals(not a nihilist) but still think that society is boned because looks define society and blah blah. I guess it is probably better to call this version of blackpill "lookism" to avoid misunderstandings.

A lot of "lookists" that i see would call the "blackpill" you described(neo-fascist terrorism) "political-coping" in an derogatory manner.

ahh ok that makes sense. I never knew that was exactly included into it. just thought it was nihilism basically.

tho to be super into the physical so much is a detriment. dont gete wrong I like the physical as much as any guy but personality is just as much of importance. also beauty is such a subjective thing. idk i dont get the obsession exactly.

 

[Calacuerda]

ahh ok that makes sense. I never knew that was exactly included into it. just thought it was nihilism basically.

tho to be super into the physical so much is a detriment. dont gete wrong I like the physical as much as any guy but personality is just as much of importance. also beauty is such a subjective thing. idk i dont get the obsession exactly.

Well the point is that not only do they not think beauty is subjective but they think it affects a lot of things in your life(also called halo-effect). But i agree with you, a lot of things that matter are ignored because of this animistic drive towards societal acceptance(but we monkeys cant help it).

 

[Lu_CiD]

Well the point is that not only do they not think beauty is subjective but they think it affects a lot of things in your life(also called halo-effect). But i agree with you, a lot of things that matter are ignored because of this animistic drive towards societal acceptance(but we monkeys cant help it).

thats so crazy. im sire allot of it has to do with media reinforcing a generic standard but other than symmetry there are few true universal signs of beauty. they are just setting themselves up for a sad lonely life. imo women are much more attracted to guys that listen and care about them and can make them laugh and feel safe then super good looking guys who are shallow. there are exceptions but really you probably won't be getting anything from good from being with them anyways. shit us is so transactional now too which is crazy af.

 

[Calacuerda]

thats so crazy. im sire allot of it has to do with media reinforcing a generic standard but other than symmetry there are few true universal signs of beauty. they are just setting themselves up for a sad lonely life. imo women are much more attracted to guys that listen and care about them and can make them laugh and feel safe then super good looking guys who are shallow. there are exceptions but really you probably won't be getting anything from good from being with them anyways. shit us is so transactional now too which is crazy af.

I see a lot of people struggling to understand lookism and making up the same arguments. However to me it is just... self evident? I mean, you really made 2 claims here: (1) there is no universal signs of beauty and (2) beauty does not matter as much: "women are much more attracted to guys that listen and care about them and can make them laugh and feel safe then super good looking guys who are shallow"

If you look at the scientific literature about halo effect(an real term in the academia, mind you) it becomes evident that (1) beauty exists(otherwise you couldn't study if more beautiful people are more advantaged than ugly ones without agreeing what cohort is the beautiful one) and (2) the beautiful cohort is considered more: "safe", educated, intelligent and blah blah. I am sure women will tell you that they like the funny and "safe" guys(nobody is the villain in their own history), but the funny and safe guy just turns out to be the most attractive.

"they are just setting themselves up for a sad lonely life" That just inverts the causality.

And i am not condemning nobody here. i mean, imagine having sex with someone that you are not physically attracted to. who does that?

 

[Lu_CiD]

they are just setting themselves up for a sad lonely life" That just inverts the causality.

if thats the only thing that a person is focused on I still hold that to be true. due to the fact that other qualities suffer from it.

If you look at the scientific literature about halo effect(an real term in the academia, mind you) it becomes evident that (1) beauty exists(otherwise you couldn't study if more beautiful people are more advantaged than ugly ones without agreeing what cohort is the beautiful one) and (2) the beautiful cohort is considered more: "safe", educated, intelligent and blah blah. I am sure women will tell you that they like the funny and "safe" guys(nobody is the villain in their own history), but the funny and safe guy just turns out to be the most attractive.

im not saying that beauty doesn't exist but I am saying that its subjective.other than bodily symmetry and being clean there are not many if any universal beauty standards. its based very heavily on culture for the most part and grooming to a lesser degree.

And i am not condemning nobody here. i mean, imagine having sex with someone that you are not physically attracted to. who does that

ill give you an cpl examples of what im talking about one of friends when I was younger was really into not just bigger girls but like morbidly obese women that allot of ppl would have not thought attractive at all.
look at gay culture bears otters twinks allot of ppl woukd say that the latter is the only attractive one since that group.
a friend of mine groing up was one of the least attractive of all.of us but was constantly able to date women that were very attractive. even me personally im not ugly but im not classic at all considered classically attractive at all and my finace is way way more attractive than I am. its much more common for what you would call miss matched attractive couples to be average or below average male and an above attractive female.

so I guess what im saying is that if you wanna to the beat version play to all of your strengths and not just be hyper focused on looks. its not healthy to do so and imo counter productive.