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Has anyone had an issue with working with a diety by being limited because of fear?
I was considering working with Hecate.I wasnt sure and had mixed thoughts about it since the beginning. It even came once to a situation in which I thought of Hecates dark side and i literally felt terror.Has anyone ever had a similiar situation?
I was simply considering yet another time if its a good idea at all.I believe i should be called an agnostic witch since im not really so certain what is it that might sit there above us.I was wondering if that lack of certainty could make a bad idea out of diety work.Id say that after I was left speachless after just invisioning the endless pit of darkness I did get my answer...interesting thing is that the feeling dissapeard as rapidly as it came and i dont feel it anymore.But I am still afraid of even trying...
I was considering working with Hecate.I wasnt sure and had mixed thoughts about it since the beginning. It even came once to a situation in which I thought of Hecates dark side and i literally felt terror.
I believe i should be called an agnostic witch since im not really so certain what is it that might sit there above us.I was wondering if that lack of certainty could make a bad idea out of diety work
Id say that after I was left speachless after just invisioning the endless pit of darkness I did get my answer...interesting thing is that the feeling dissapeard as rapidly as it came and i dont feel it anymore.But I am still afraid of even trying...
When I was younger, in few cases I was a bit 'anxious' due to excitement rather than fear, so to speak, but it changed since. Now, I've faced many of greater/est authorities, but I see them as equals, on soul level; not above not below. This is notdisrespect towards them, this is (genuine) respect towards myself, and this is something they actually appreciate and value greatly.
I was considering working with Hecate.I wasnt sure and had mixed thoughts about it since the beginning. It even came once to a situation in which I thought of Hecates dark side and i literally felt terror.Has anyone ever had a similiar situation?
Every being have a dark side, whether it is Infernal, Angelic (yes) or any other deity or entity, just like everyone else, including you and I.
ㅤIf you approach a deity with fear, doubt and terror, it's very likely you'll self-feed this frequency and through it, keep your psyché under the dark water and if your senses and channels are not on top, you may fail to receivetheir attempt to 'calm you' and pull you out, to guide you, if there was any, of course.
It's important to identifywhere your fear is coming from, and why do you struggle with it. Why are you afraid to begin with?
An another important question is, whether it was Hecate who called to you or you are the one who wish to approach? If so, what are your motifs and how clear, genuine and determined are you? If it was a strange, hard to describe attraction towards her, it can be also a sign with deeper ties than you'd understand in this moment, but either way, it's not malevolent.
Your fear can twist and turn reality into something you will easily misunderstand. You have power. You already have more than you think. If you fail to control it within you unsupervised, it can manifest in a very harmful way, which can truly cause you to flee and miss opportunities, misinterpret, and fail to make sense of things going around you. It's all you.
I was wondering if that lack of certainty could make a bad idea out of diety work.
No. It is both natural and common. With practice, proper, frequent grounding and devotion to this matter you'll be eventually able to wash away the foam of uncertainity step by step. It may return ever once and a while; it happens to everyone even after long years of practice, but this path requires consciousness, and constant work and responsibility.
I grew up with Infernals around me, and I can safely say, humans are far more dangerous than any of the Infernals, but there's an 'if' to this. If you respect them, if your intent is clear and honest, if you have no ill will or thought towards them, then you will be fine.
If you fear what you're contemplating working with, you don't have control. I would advise waiting for another time. Maybe try conjuring for something innocuous that doesn't have a lot of scope for going wrong.
I am also looking into Hecate to work with her, but I am scared I am a bit childish and I dont want her to get angry at me, I ve been practicing High Magick for like 3 years, so I am not very good at it yet, but I got few books on Hecate so I can study her and see the rituals done to her, I already work with Grecoroman Pantheon so is easy to work with her because I already read for example Hesiods Theogony.
Has anyone had an issue with working with a diety by being limited because of fear?
I was considering working with Hecate.I wasnt sure and had mixed thoughts about it since the beginning. It even came once to a situation in which I thought of Hecates dark side and i literally felt terror.Has anyone ever had a similiar situation?
I was simply considering yet another time if its a good idea at all.I believe i should be called an agnostic witch since im not really so certain what is it that might sit there above us.I was wondering if that lack of certainty could make a bad idea out of diety work.Id say that after I was left speachless after just invisioning the endless pit of darkness I did get my answer...interesting thing is that the feeling dissapeard as rapidly as it came and i dont feel it anymore.But I am still afraid of even trying...
The fear that the gods inspire is to relinquish you from your karmic chains. Within the vajrayana the yoginis are terrifying dieties that inspire fear to break you from your chains. Once they are broken and you assume and come into communion with the goddess (this seems to be a common theme amongst goddesses in particular) you feel a wholeness and liberation. This is one of the keys to true authentic initiation. The fear before the deity is an indicator that the process has begun, on the other side of the black death lies your freedom and liberation. A liberation from fear, from terror, and TRUE faith. That is a faith of direct knowing.
There is the typical anxiety or nervousness one feels before an operation and you can usually just take that as an indicator that whatever you are about to perform is going to work and work in a massive way. it should inspire you to follow through with the intended operation.
However this terror you are speaking of is the precursor to initiation and communion with the goddess. It is one of the very first steps in the actualization of our immortality. Hecate, Isis & Osiris, and dieties along these lines are known for what you are feeling. I will offer you some words of comfort though, Hecate may be dark and cthonic but she is a responsive and loving goddess. You can have trust and faith that if she has called you that what awaits you is a way of living you could have never imagined for yourself. Trust the process. She will take things from you that aren't for you to have, and this is a process of loss and grief, but on the otherside is a rebirth. A life with new eyes, a life of true freedom, freedom from the shackles of fear, death, and darkness.
The fear that the gods inspire is to relinquish you from your karmic chains. Within the vajrayana the yoginis are terrifying dieties that inspire fear to break you from your chains. Once they are broken and you assume and come into communion with the goddess (this seems to be a common theme amongst goddesses in particular) you feel a wholeness and liberation. This is one of the keys to true authentic initiation. The fear before the deity is an indicator that the process has begun, on the other side of the black death lies your freedom and liberation. A liberation from fear, from terror, and TRUE faith. That is a faith of direct knowing.
There is the typical anxiety or nervousness one feels before an operation and you can usually just take that as an indicator that whatever you are about to perform is going to work and work in a massive way. it should inspire you to follow through with the intended operation.
However this terror you are speaking of is the precursor to initiation and communion with the goddess. It is one of the very first steps in the actualization of our immortality. Hecate, Isis & Osiris, and dieties along these lines are known for what you are feeling. I will offer you some words of comfort though, Hecate may be dark and cthonic but she is a responsive and loving goddess. You can have trust and faith that if she has called you that what awaits you is a way of living you could have never imagined for yourself. Trust the process. She will take things from you that aren't for you to have, and this is a process of loss and grief, but on the otherside is a rebirth. A life with new eyes, a life of true freedom, freedom from the shackles of fear, death, and darkness.
I agree with those who say that even fear is itself a calling. Hecate’s strength lies in confusion, in testing, in putting your heart on trial precisely through fear. She is a goddess who does not need, yet she favors those who are not frightened by her power—those who dare to open their hearts between shadow and light.
She must be followed. It is not easy, but it is a profoundly beautiful journey.
From my perspective, I have always felt her closeness in many ways. I would suggest reading Miller, Sorita d’Este, and Grayle’s Hecateon to gain a broader understanding—but first, ask yourself whether you are truly ready, whether you genuinely want this, and whether fear is only a veil hiding the love you have always felt.
Between ego and unconscious there is a thin layer of dust. It can be removed simply by looking within and understanding whether this is truly what you desire.
Personally I think fear can be quite revealing and affords us an opportunity for deeper contemplation or introspection. Fear has many nuances. Easy example to understand a healthy fear: hot stove. We fear the pain of being burned—having experienced it, it is not pleasant lol—and are therefore more cautious so as to avoid the painful consequence.
I would say I struggle with a lot more unhealthy fears than healthy ones due to life circumstances and outlook on them. But I would say even then, fear has a reason for being there.
It’s worth investigating. No need to rush into something you’re uncertain about.
Funny thing is, I used to be afraid of vampires. Not sure why, but as a kid I didn't like to watch vampiric movies, they were scary.
I was even littel afraid of my new vampiric spirit when he first came to me. Took few weeks for me to get completely used to him and to overcome fear.
Now I'm into vampirism myself and I really enjoy it. Who knows. There are more kinds of fear. Some are wise to listen to, but some are indeed to be overcommed.
I don't think so. But many entities have tried to scare me, as a test to see if I was "worthy" of working with them. This is absolutely something Hecate would do. She is well known for much worse trials than that.
I was considering working with Hecate.I wasnt sure and had mixed thoughts about it since the beginning. It even came once to a situation in which I thought of Hecates dark side and i literally felt terror.Has anyone ever had a similiar situation?
I was simply considering yet another time if its a good idea at all.I believe i should be called an agnostic witch since im not really so certain what is it that might sit there above us.I was wondering if that lack of certainty could make a bad idea out of diety work.Id say that after I was left speachless after just invisioning the endless pit of darkness I did get my answer...interesting thing is that the feeling dissapeard as rapidly as it came and i dont feel it anymore.But I am still afraid of even trying...
What you experienced may also be your own subconcious fears about dark entities. This is very, very common. Religions, and more recently Hollywood, have brainwashed us since childhood that dark = evil and frightening, for generations.
As with everything, you need to do divination to find out what is going on
I will be transparent about my experience. While Lilith is not a Deity, I hope you can find something in my experience that gives you hope and something to think about.
When I started getting serious about my occult path I was interested in Lilith. I had done my very first ritual out in the woods, and had what some would call a successful encounter (a woman way out in the distance laughing, not at me just laughing and thats it) I thought it might just be all in my head, or not what I expected, I kicked the sigil I carved into the dirt and walked away pissed (left the candles and incense).
A few days later, I read a fanfic story about her, and for some reason, and I in all honesty didn't know what fanfic even was so it didn't register. With no occult experience I just took it as it was (yeah I'm retarded lol). The story scared the ever living shit out of me and I noped the fuck out with Lilith for like 2 full years.
One night after a successful evocation of Bune, I felt an overwhelming sense of guilt for not evoking Lilith and didn't want some horrifying demon pissed off at me. So I went out to that same spot in the woods and confessed my terror of her and apologized. I was thinking the words would leave my lips and go way way out onto the darkness, far far from me and she would hear them and all would be well, I was still scared out of my fucking mind.
Lilith showed the fuck up! I mean what the hell, it wasn't a ritual at all. Just me trying to make shit okay without her coming after me. I didn't know what I was doing or what I was getting into, and that was terrifying to my core. She said to me as my knees were literally shaking "All I demand of you is your authenticity and your willingness, do you think you can do that?" I said 'Oh, well if that's all it is, I guess I can do that'. Boom, pact entered without me realizing the weight of it at first.
The next thing I will share here is only for context, not a flex in anyway, as each occultist works in different ways. I didn't do a circle, or a triangle or banishing or warding or anything for protection whatsoever, and still dont. I only mention this to show how real the fear was. Reckless to some, maybe, but to me it was just real..
Lilith proceeded to teach me that fear is only an illusion. Yes the lessons during my initiation were scary as fuck. No, I was never harmed. Yes, she took me right to the edge of what I could handle, PLUS 3 feet each time. It was a learning process. No, not every encounter was scary. No, Lilith wasn't here to ruin me or harm me. Trust was built experientially.
Over the course of my time on my path, I have learned that fear is almost always illusion. All that is required is showing up authentic (not performing, not posturing) and being willing to stand there anyway. Its okay to flinch, but stand anyway.
The fears I have faced made me realize what sovereignty really means. That once I face my fears I became more and more free of them, they were chains that made me smaller than I really am. Lilith has been amazing, terrifying, strong, loud, quiet, Lilith. She has been inside me, she has walked me through the darkest of things, allowed me to burn, to fail, to fall, to rise and never did she demand more of me than my authenticity and willingness.
As a result I can stand in the presence of Raziel. I can withstand a smack from Asteroth, the challenge from Odin himself without running.
Lilith is and has been my Matron ever since. I have developed a great relationship where I can be my full irreverent, feral, unfiltered self with her. Its a special relationship, a bond. Nothing and no one can take away. I work with lots of others demons, angels, deities, but Lilith is special in ways the others are not to me. I am not the same person who started on this path, not even close.
Lying to myself about fear is immature and inauthentic. Fear is okay, its human. Just be real about it and willing to face it.
I shared my experience and its personal stuff. I get it, most occultists present only the highlight reels. Sometimes it's just ego and theater, and some folks just dont like to share such personal things. The reality is, we all get scared when staring at the ineffable at first. A being older than time, the stories we tell ourselves about it, and the unknown. You are just fine. You aren't abnormal, you aren't doing it wrong.
Maybe, just maybe Hekate isn't there to wreck you. Maybe she has a path and some lessons to teach you that will grow you in ways you dont even see yet. I'm sure Hekate has a reason for how she presents to you. If she wasn't willing to guide or help you, she wouldn't bother with you at all. The rest? Thats for you to discover with her, or not.
Hope this helps a little. Take what resonates and burn the rest. Good luck!
Fear of deity in particular is usually rooted in childhood programming. Religion teaches you to fear God, and that fear needs to be eradicated to fully reach magical potential.
I kind like being afraid sometimes. Its fun to get a good scare every once in a while so to me fear is sometimes fun.
Its can also be a warning sign to not go someplace and sometimes thats a good thing. To be completely fearless might not go so well all the time. Some things are actually dangerous out in the world like venemous animals or poisonous plants.
Its the ability to discern which is which might come in handy. The same might hold true for the occult. Listening to fear might be a good thing and trying a different approach to get a desired outcome.
No,truly and honestly besides spiritual growth guidance from a goddess of Witchcraft I wouldnt ask for more
I think that no one really called to me,feels quite vacant ,disconnected. Unless of course Im missing signs.I have a spirit that likes to pop and rush me into learning divination theory and techniques, to be fair I did ask for mentorship and he seems like a smart little monk.
But I cant say i really felt a god like presence,I do think it would catch my attention and keep me respectful .
I guess I could say that Im interested in her in terms of what kind of person is she.Her liminality and the ability to access different "layers" is very intriguing to me.I wonder how she feels about it I feel like this liminality is something that connects us and id love to learn from her how to best approach this "happy traveling "
Besides that i only had shivers when i first read Sekhmets name,which is suprising to me since my attitude towards Egyptian gods lacks.Cant say i feel even their existence at all( dont mean to be rude,so apologies in advance, its simply the way i feel about it) Fun fact tho is that according to my research Sekhmeth is also liminal.Interesting.
Probably I dont feel like being a good disciple to Hekate.Why would she bother with an agnostic
Maybe the fear of learning my place? It feels like besides what connects us there is a mismatch on some level that i cant really put my finger on.
I believe she could teach me how to live accordingly to my nature,if that makes any sense...so its a shame im in a constant hesitation mode.
The worst? I had a feeling I could loose myself inbetween ,lets call it ,worlds, and she would leave me there on purpose.
I dont have absolutely any reason to think that,it was just what went through me in my horror moment.The possibility...
I hope i didnt twist it all beyond understanding ^^
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Let me add also that i was already lost once and i have a good reason to be afraid of it.
When I was younger, in few cases I was a bit 'anxious' due to excitement rather than fear, so to speak, but it changed since. Now, I've faced many of greater/est authorities, but I see them as equals, on soul level; not above not below. This is notdisrespect towards them, this is (genuine) respect towards myself, and this is something they actually appreciate and value greatly.
Every being have a dark side, whether it is Infernal, Angelic (yes) or any other deity or entity, just like everyone else, including you and I.
ㅤIf you approach a deity with fear, doubt and terror, it's very likely you'll self-feed this frequency and through it, keep your psyché under the dark water and if your senses and channels are not on top, you may fail to receivetheir attempt to 'calm you' and pull you out, to guide you, if there was any, of course.
It's important to identifywhere your fear is coming from, and why do you struggle with it. Why are you afraid to begin with?
An another important question is, whether it was Hecate who called to you or you are the one who wish to approach? If so, what are your motifs and how clear, genuine and determined are you? If it was a strange, hard to describe attraction towards her, it can be also a sign with deeper ties than you'd understand in this moment, but either way, it's not malevolent.
Your fear can twist and turn reality into something you will easily misunderstand. You have power. You already have more than you think. If you fail to control it within you unsupervised, it can manifest in a very harmful way, which can truly cause you to flee and miss opportunities, misinterpret, and fail to make sense of things going around you. It's all you.
No. It is both natural and common. With practice, proper, frequent grounding and devotion to this matter you'll be eventually able to wash away the foam of uncertainity step by step. It may return ever once and a while; it happens to everyone even after long years of practice, but this path requires consciousness, and constant work and responsibility.
I grew up with Infernals around me, and I can safely say, humans are far more dangerous than any of the Infernals, but there's an 'if' to this. If you respect them, if your intent is clear and honest, if you have no ill will or thought towards them, then you will be fine.
Its not like I am constantly afraid of her, it was just something that went through me one time but in a true terror.But i hope my response from above can maybe shed some light ^^
I wouldnt say Im determined,again, as an agnostic i "contemplate" ^^
Oh yea,you are so right here.The connection is most definitely there.One of the beliefs that does not leave me,is that she really seems to be the best mentor for me at this moment,because she knows how to live a life that i am made to live as it is.And im not complaining, more trying to say that I am certain that there are particular ways that i cant grasp.A little bit like I can see them in a way,but my mind isnt able to comprehend what they say....and I know she knows what they are
The fear.Well after this 3 messages it does seem to clarify a bit as the fear from being in a state that I am not able to fix on my own.Getting lost and stuck without any hope to get back.Kind of like seazing to exist.
Im really having trouble today with putting my thoughts into sentences that make sense,sorry
Yes exactly! Fail to control within myself,unsupervised and loosing l control,causing harm(to myself only).
This might be the first time im actually staring to see what am i hiding underneath since i have some trouble with understanding my feelings.It definitely widens my perspective, thank you
Lots to think about!
If you fear what you're contemplating working with, you don't have control. I would advise waiting for another time. Maybe try conjuring for something innocuous that doesn't have a lot of scope for going wrong.
The fear that the gods inspire is to relinquish you from your karmic chains. Within the vajrayana the yoginis are terrifying dieties that inspire fear to break you from your chains. Once they are broken and you assume and come into communion with the goddess (this seems to be a common theme amongst goddesses in particular) you feel a wholeness and liberation. This is one of the keys to true authentic initiation. The fear before the deity is an indicator that the process has begun, on the other side of the black death lies your freedom and liberation. A liberation from fear, from terror, and TRUE faith. That is a faith of direct knowing.
There is the typical anxiety or nervousness one feels before an operation and you can usually just take that as an indicator that whatever you are about to perform is going to work and work in a massive way. it should inspire you to follow through with the intended operation.
However this terror you are speaking of is the precursor to initiation and communion with the goddess. It is one of the very first steps in the actualization of our immortality. Hecate, Isis & Osiris, and dieties along these lines are known for what you are feeling. I will offer you some words of comfort though, Hecate may be dark and cthonic but she is a responsive and loving goddess. You can have trust and faith that if she has called you that what awaits you is a way of living you could have never imagined for yourself. Trust the process. She will take things from you that aren't for you to have, and this is a process of loss and grief, but on the otherside is a rebirth. A life with new eyes, a life of true freedom, freedom from the shackles of fear, death, and darkness.
Thank you,this really makes a lot of sense to me!!!
The fear of loosing myself. And what i speak of is really a terrible price.Even knowing what it might open in return. Im not sure if its possible for me to get to the other side in one piece.Well definitely not in one piece,but more ,like,at all...Its not in human nature to be willing to do this to yourself knowing what to expect in the process...
Very interesting! Thanks again!
I don't think this is a good approach. "Spiritual growth" is far too nebulous a request. You can ask for it, sure, but think about what are you expecting to happen and ask for it directly. Secondly, I don't quite understand why does it have to be Hekate - if you think she is cool that's fine, but "witchcraft" was always a practical affair.
Now, it's fine to say just think Hekate is cool and you want to learn more about her - in that case I'd advice cleaning your mind of all the preconceived notions of what she is like (if you project your own believes onto her they will simply reflect back and you'll just be talking to yourself) before doing some research, then do some rituals, sing some hymns and engage in other religious activities. Don't go around looking for signs, pick a robust divination method instead. The fear you felt was most certainly of your own doing, stop trying to scare youself, learn to overcome it, and it will go away.
As a side-note, here's an interesting articles I'd recommend reading:
