[Help] has bdsm ever been interlaced with the occult or did i completely hallucinate this

[Butterfly Affect]

maybe there was one occult group that did but i genuinely can't remember

"whats with all the sexual questions" because sex is part of life and part of magic and i don't know if i'm actually seeing things that are really there and all search engines suck now. yes this is a serious question

 

[Firetree]

Do you mean Gerald Gardiner's 'symbolic' naked trying up and flogging ' stuff ' ?

 

[AbammonTheGreat]

maybe there was one occult group that did but i genuinely can't remember

"whats with all the sexual questions" because sex is part of life and part of magic and i don't know if i'm actually seeing things that are really there and all search engines suck now. yes this is a serious question

You mean OTO, Gardnerian Wicca, every Satanic order, O9A, New Age "Tantra" workshops, and Hellenic Recon? The entire reason I left orders, groups, and lodges was because without fail every single one was rampant with sexual abuse and was using the occult to justify whatever kinks and fetishes they were walking around with. Literally pick a group and youll find weirdos infusing BDSM in it claiming their kink is a part of their magic.

 

[Firetree]

Damn its boring down here then . I suffered a great lack of all that .... I searched here , I searched there ...... nuffin ! Then I realized all one had to do was go to a BDSM club !

 

[HoldAll]

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[A.Nox]

From my experience, it’s not that BDSM was a built-in component of occult systems — it’s more that certain groups attracted people who used the occult as an excuse to act out their kinks.
There were traditions where sexual work had a legitimate ritual purpose, but there were also plenty of groups where things went off the rails and turned into straight-up fetish environments dressed up as “magick”.

So yes, the overlap existed, but not because the magic required it — it happened because some circles got… let’s say, creatively undisciplined.
The important part is knowing the difference between actual esoteric technique and someone’s personal kink being marketed as a spiritual practice.