[Help] has bdsm ever been interlaced with the occult or did i completely hallucinate this

[Butterfly Affect]

maybe there was one occult group that did but i genuinely can't remember

"whats with all the sexual questions" because sex is part of life and part of magic and i don't know if i'm actually seeing things that are really there and all search engines suck now. yes this is a serious question

 

[Firetree]

Do you mean Gerald Gardiner's 'symbolic' naked trying up and flogging ' stuff ' ?

 

[AbammonTheGreat]

maybe there was one occult group that did but i genuinely can't remember

"whats with all the sexual questions" because sex is part of life and part of magic and i don't know if i'm actually seeing things that are really there and all search engines suck now. yes this is a serious question

You mean OTO, Gardnerian Wicca, every Satanic order, O9A, New Age "Tantra" workshops, and Hellenic Recon? The entire reason I left orders, groups, and lodges was because without fail every single one was rampant with sexual abuse and was using the occult to justify whatever kinks and fetishes they were walking around with. Literally pick a group and youll find weirdos infusing BDSM in it claiming their kink is a part of their magic.

 

[Firetree]

Damn its boring down here then . I suffered a great lack of all that .... I searched here , I searched there ...... nuffin ! Then I realized all one had to do was go to a BDSM club !

 

[HoldAll]

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[A.Nox]

From my experience, it’s not that BDSM was a built-in component of occult systems — it’s more that certain groups attracted people who used the occult as an excuse to act out their kinks.
There were traditions where sexual work had a legitimate ritual purpose, but there were also plenty of groups where things went off the rails and turned into straight-up fetish environments dressed up as “magick”.

So yes, the overlap existed, but not because the magic required it — it happened because some circles got… let’s say, creatively undisciplined.
The important part is knowing the difference between actual esoteric technique and someone’s personal kink being marketed as a spiritual practice.

 

[AlfrunGrima]

it’s more that certain groups attracted people who used the occult as an excuse to act out their kinks.

Yeah, that was one reason why I left one group. The person who leaded the group fell in love with all to much women, except for his own wife.

 

[sahgwa]

Obviously if those are the kind of things you want to do on your own with willing partners sure, and you can make any action magickal. But having it as 'part of the curriculum' seems a bit weirdly specific.
The human sexual energy is extremely powerful, and can be channeled to amazing things. And also just wasted, but as we all know a lot of the time, this energy is manipulated and abused in others for power , control , or even politics, instead of explored and expressed in a creative way.
You can learn a lot from the shadow side, but only as a balancing act, I think.
People that focus only on that to the exclusion of all else, obviously generally have some kind of malfunction in their current being.

 

[A.Nox]

Yeah, that was one reason why I left one group. The person who leaded the group fell in love with all to much women, except for his own wife.

That was a solid decision on your part.
Unfortunately, this pattern shows up more often than people admit — a “leader” using the occult framework to play out personal issues instead of actually practicing magic.
Leaving a group like that isn’t weakness, it’s clarity.
It takes a lot of self-awareness to recognize when something has crossed a line and to walk away before it becomes even more damaging.

I’m glad you trusted your own judgement.

Too many people stay in situations that stopped being magical a long time ago.

 

[MorganBlack]

Wha!? Never!

(Except - cough - the Frosts ritually penetrating underage girls with a wooden dildo to "initiate" them into 'The Paganism'.)

Yeah, it's weird and annoying. You think you're joining a magical order, only to find out it's a swingers club with libertarian politics. (With some good folks doing magic on the side.)