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If you have a problem with someone, as in to say a practical issue, like some creep stalking your wife or child, or something like an asshole coworker or bully, who'd actually be hurting you, or your reputation, in ways that has real effect, how do you deal with them magically if you're not using a curse or hex?
I also think law enforcement is a joke! I mean, in my country, whether you are a thief, a rapist, or a murderer, it doesn't matter. The only thing matter is whether your daddy has enough money, power, and connections; if he has, then you can fu*cking do whatever you want.
And I've seen this dude @Durward, going around these kinds of threads, preaching how you should leave it to the police! I mean, dude, do you even have any fucking idea that in some countries (including America), police are a joke! I mean, what kind of justice is to kill civilians using our own fucking tax money to buy those bullets used to kill us (Yeah, it happens to our country, more often)? So no, I'm not giving any authority to any law enforcement or police, in something like protecting myself if I can take matters into my own hands. And no, I need no preaching from you, dude @Durward
You can't. You have no authority. Instead, invoke divine justice. But be careful. Bearing false witness is a crime, and divine justice will strike the caster in that case.
One option: Walk the path of "Father Abraham": Those who bless you will be blessed. Those who curse you will be cursed.
ואברכה מברכיך ומקללך אאר ונברכו בך כל משפחת האדמה׃
And I will bless those who bless you, and curse him who curses you; and in you shall all families of the earth be blessed.
It wasnt peoples practices and interests I was commenting on but the insistence that we must all be doing it for the same reasons ;
'' The only reason anyone is even on this forum is because we want to use magic for our own personal reasons to manipulate the world in ways we wouldn't otherwise be able to .''
( note ; as well , 'for our own ' is a giveaway ... ' for their own ' ie it was a projection . )
I also think law enforcement is a joke! I mean, in my country, whether you are a thief, a rapist, or a murderer, it doesn't matter. The only thing matter is whether your daddy has enough money, power, and connections; if he has, then you can fu*cking do whatever you want.
And I've seen this dude @Durward, going around these kinds of threads, preaching how you should leave it to the police! I mean, dude, do you even have any fucking idea that in some countries (including America), police are a joke! I mean, what kind of justice is to kill civilians using our own fucking tax money to buy those bullets used to kill us (Yeah, it happens to our country, more often)? So no, I'm not giving any authority to any law enforcement or police, in something like protecting myself if I can take matters into my own hands. And no, I need no preaching from you, dude @Durward
@hussainsirat577
Go ahead and foam at the mouth and rant and rave about things.
That alone will burn up all your energy and you won't be able to do much of anything anyway... Hussain... not a great look for you, but likely normal for wherever it is you crawled out from. Your whining about police and how things operate in your backwoods zone are showing how immature and ignorant you are, to me. Remember, opinion counts, and free speech. You get to rant and throw shit at me, guess what happens? You gonna run to mommy and whine about it?
I also need no preaching from you, dude. Your language gives you away as a punk to me. Who cares what you think? Not me. You are just another victim of the brainwashing and mind control, and lashing out, being a bully, etc. If you want to get back to the subject matter, throwing magical curses is not something for hothead punks to be playing with. If you can't control yourself, you can't control magic. All that attempt will do is blow up in your own face, and that would then be deserved. Again, in my opinion. Have your meltdown somewhere else. If you don't want to be cursed, and would lash out at anyone using magic on you, then you have no right to use magic on anyone else. Again, IMHO. If you think this is some free-for-all, swing away dude, swing away. This isn't some one-way Harry Pothead world where you get to do things and have all the right to do so, and nobody else can do the same thing to you.That you took it all so personal, and mentioned me specifically, shows you already feel bad and guilty, or spoken to, when I mention things like psychopaths and sociopaths. Get some therapy. Should I tell your mommy on you?
This is why we have laws, and why we enforce them. In your imaginary world, likely ruled by Abrahamic cult people, it sounds more like some movie plot, and I highly doubt you are anything but an angry and frustrated child that can't magic their way out of a wet paper bag. But oh! Let the insults fly and act like a jerk to me for MY OPINION. Exactly why we can't let the religious freaks control governments or have any powers. Nothing but hysterical vigilante nonsense, bullies, punks, and so magic is not available to you. So go cry somewhere else where someone cares.
Now go get your diapers changed and keep trying to use your hatred to justify horrible behavior and threats. You are a poser to me, my opinion again. Throw some curses, see what happens. I'm waiting.
@Digiquo
LMFAO, that is pretty narrow and shows you obviously haven't bothered to read many threads or look at the many subjects here. What planet are you visiting from?
What makes you think a good use of magic is cursing people, and if so, what makes you think others wouldn't return the favor and are more powerful than you? Some magical pissing contest is such a great waste, and it is a good thing NONE of you are capable enough.
@hussainsirat577
Go ahead and foam at the mouth and rant and rave about things.
That alone will burn up all your energy and you won't be able to do much of anything anyway... Hussain... not a great look for you, but likely normal for wherever it is you crawled out from. Your whining about police and how things operate in your backwoods zone are showing how immature and ignorant you are, to me. Remember, opinion counts, and free speech. You get to rant and throw shit at me, guess what happens? You gonna run to mommy and whine about it?
I also need no preaching from you, dude. Your language gives you away as a punk to me. Who cares what you think? Not me. You are just another victim of the brainwashing and mind control, and lashing out, being a bully, etc. If you want to get back to the subject matter, throwing magical curses is not something for hothead punks to be playing with. If you can't control yourself, you can't control magic. All that attempt will do is blow up in your own face, and that would then be deserved. Again, in my opinion. Have your meltdown somewhere else. If you don't want to be cursed, and would lash out at anyone using magic on you, then you have no right to use magic on anyone else. Again, IMHO. If you think this is some free-for-all, swing away dude, swing away. This isn't some one-way Harry Pothead world where you get to do things and have all the right to do so, and nobody else can do the same thing to you.That you took it all so personal, and mentioned me specifically, shows you already feel bad and guilty, or spoken to, when I mention things like psychopaths and sociopaths. Get some therapy. Should I tell your mommy on you?
This is why we have laws, and why we enforce them. In your imaginary world, likely ruled by Abrahamic cult people, it sounds more like some movie plot, and I highly doubt you are anything but an angry and frustrated child that can't magic their way out of a wet paper bag. But oh! Let the insults fly and act like a jerk to me for MY OPINION. Exactly why we can't let the religious freaks control governments or have any powers. Nothing but hysterical vigilante nonsense, bullies, punks, and so magic is not available to you. So go cry somewhere else where someone cares.
Now go get your diapers changed and keep trying to use your hatred to justify horrible behavior and threats. You are a poser to me, my opinion again. Throw some curses, see what happens. I'm waiting.
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@Digiquo
LMFAO, that is pretty narrow and shows you obviously haven't bothered to read many threads or look at the many subjects here. What planet are you visiting from?
What makes you think a good use of magic is cursing people, and if so, what makes you think others wouldn't return the favor and are more powerful than you? Some magical pissing contest is such a great waste, and it is a good thing NONE of you are capable enough.
What would you do if a person abused your child and got away with it? Or a stranger murdered your mother and the police couldn't catch them? As somebody with magic at their disposal... would you use it?
Yep yep, Signal boosting Abammon's and FireBorn's take. There's a place for fighting fire with fire , but like money and sex, cursing is a another very fraught area, one clustered around warfare and the justified use of violence. As it should be. You are not supposed to all be okay with it.
Geburah / Mars has always correctly been seen as a morally fraught area because of its finality. It "is" on the Pillar of Severity in the Kabbalistic world-vision. In Vodou, the warrior lwa Ogou Feray of the fierce Nago nation is the "point," in liminal space, the "pwen" that pivots into the wrathful and hot Petwo nation. Mars, iron, steel, and violence can be the beginning of the descent into "Hell," especially when paired with the setter of limits, Saturn.
But I would not be the sorcerer I am today without having to survive in psychopathic corporate environments. Aside from being a service magician for the drug cartels, I imagine, there's no other place where you are required to hunt for your own dinner and deal with the big predators.
But destruction of one's enemies over the long haul can be equally terrifying, if only for what you have become. It is very easy to become extremely world-weary. If you have any sense of compassion for others, you will question what you have done and any cascade effects. The effect you have brought onto their families.
We are not supposed to be "okay" with violence. It's a liminal space. Warfare is the Blood Meridian of Texas writer Cormac McCarthy. Unless you are a total psychopath it's very easy to become weary of the world's embrace of violence, and then, like all things, you might seek something bigger and more inclusive.
Year ago I had to give up paying attention to the war god of Thelema (as archetype or literal being, or both. Take your pick. ). It was giving me anger issues. I'm a Folk Catholic because it helps me be calm, compassionate and forgiving. (Again personal visions there, I won't go into.). You become what you pay attention to.
Miguel Connor and the Gnostics over at Aeon Byte speak with much wisdom at a certain level of consciousness, that should be noted in our awareness of the dynamic the world, and slotted, imho, into a much smaller place in our sense of the universe, without letting it take over.
War is God (How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Dark Archetype)
A palliative followup to my post on the thread about cursing found here: https://wizardforums.com/threads/if-not-curses-then-what.19680/post-125375 This bit of inspired media from Miguel Connor and the Gnostics over at Aeon Byte , for context, as a non-denominational invocation of Sophia /...
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