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The question always is whether these chinese monks will be able to use this ability spontaneously in a stressful situation like a real fight without having time to prepare. Conditioning the stomach against blows like a boxer does is relatively straightforward - in striking martial arts, you are taught to forcefully exhale (and thus automatically clench your abdominal muscles hard) whenever you practice a punch, and you test that ability not only in 'abstract' exercises but also in free sparring so it becomes an automated reflex. I once shared a changing room with some of these orange-clad Shaolin fighters who were invited as a 'supporting act' for a famous motivational speaker; they were all very short and looked kinda delicate .. I wouldn't give them much chance against a trained heavyweight boxer, supernatural abilities or no.
I think thats asking too much because there must be pretty tall and heavy monks, and besides that something our muay thai teacher explained to us was things like the different rules on kick boxing, muay thai and full contact, fights for different pourposes will have different rules, what I want to say I saw a regular sized prob american Ju Jitsu fighter take on a body builder wich was profetional, and he couldnt make it against the strong looking guy (JuJitsu guy), he was not a body builder but at some point he recived damage from the body builder but he (again Ju Jitsu guy) got I think his leg or arm on a lock and made him tap out, body builder was not a boxer but he was masive compared to the ju jitsu and it was a very real fight in a dojo, with probably not a big monetization that I hate for example.
 

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I think thats asking too much because there must be pretty tall and heavy monks, and besides that something our muay thai teacher explained to us was things like the different rules on kick boxing, muay thai and full contact, fights for different pourposes will have different rules, what I want to say I saw a regular sized prob american Ju Jitsu fighter take on a body builder wich was profetional, and he couldnt make it against the strong looking guy (JuJitsu guy), he was not a body builder but at some point he recived damage from the body builder but he (again Ju Jitsu guy) got I think his leg or arm on a lock and made him tap out, body builder was not a boxer but he was masive compared to the ju jitsu and it was a very real fight in a dojo, with probably not a big monetization that I hate for example.

The difficulty a BJJ guy has against a striker is closing the gap to his opponent, to get so close to the other guy that any punches will become ineffective. Royce Gracie achieved this by throwing a (rather half-hearted) short left in the first few UFC tournaments and then going for the front leg for a takedown which nobody was used to at a time, defeating much larger opponents (there were no weight categories at that time) with his BJJ.

I wonder if there was any magick associated with grappling arts, which god the wrestlers at the ancient Olympic Games sacrificed to, for example.

Don't muay thai fighter wear all kinds of charms btw? How do they come by them, and who makes them?
 

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The difficulty a BJJ guy has against a striker is closing the gap to his opponent, to get so close to the other guy that any punches will become ineffective. Royce Gracie achieved this by throwing a (rather half-hearted) short left in the first few UFC tournaments and then going for the front leg for a takedown which nobody was used to at a time, defeating much larger opponents (there were no weight categories at that time) with his BJJ.

I wonder if there was any magick associated with grappling arts, which god the wrestlers at the ancient Olympic Games sacrificed to, for example.

Don't muay thai fighter wear all kinds of charms btw? How do they come by them, and who makes them?
even I practiced it I did not got tought a lot of the esoteric wich now I value a lot, ive been watching thailands yoga for muay thai but thats it.
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This is a very interesting YT chanel of someone who uses martial arts and also is a law enforcer. He even apply philosophy and is nice.
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You know why I also made this thread man, there is scientific proof that meditation like yoga or even visualizations are great for people that exercise. People that trained martial arts had to do meditation because apparently when people work out you need to recover and meditation helps a lot in the recovery proces, is like an activity athletes must practice to rid off stress and well perhaps gain focus in what ever be their goal. And I think I said I practiced Aikido and that is when I started knowing meditation from an eastern asian perspective, being in seiza before and after was very nice thing I liked before I knew the scientific approach on meditation because western science did not wanted to open up in certain practices.
 
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You're on to something, someone in reddit even said that they don't trust in any magical school that don't involve martial arts training as well. But as HoldAll said, just meditation and energy work won't prepare you for a fight. Ideally, you should take up either Krav Maga or Muay Thai + Brazillian Jiu Jitsu. Striking + Grappling. Paralel to that, you should be doing the Iron Body training. I shared a good book on it, btw, specially if you don't have a trustworthy sifu nearby.

Once you have a base in the MA, you should start to train, during sparring sessions the usage of your magical abilities in the fight. Also, the longer the fight goes on and the more you get hit , the harder it is to concentrate, so make good use of sparring sessions with your classmates because it will be the closest you get for training besides actual fights, and those are, well, dangerous. Musashi's work is great, check it out, as well as the work of the founder of Mugai Ryu.

The book on Iron Body or Iron Skills training

The ninja and the british yogi special ops are kinda the closest we have to jedi.
 

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To get back to the mental aspects of martial arts, I'd like to address the unfortunate phenomenon that most people will freeze and go all rigid when faced with an unforeseen threat, making them unable to pull their weapon or apply any self-defense techniques they've learnt. It's the "This can't really be happening to me!" sort of incredulity as well as panic that prevents them from responding adequately to a threat, and I wonder if it's possible to use purely mental methods such as meditation to learn how to stay calm in the face of danger and react instantaneously and efficiently… probably in the abstract only, as it were, you'd need actual physical practice to acquire that ability.

When practicing not-thinking while going for a walk, I sometimes entertain myself by imagining a ninja lurking with a drawn sword behind a tree and remaining utterly unfazed so I can react completely spontaneously and naturally (and totally ruthlessly, of course). The main point is the relaxed and empty state of mind here - NOT mentally prepared for anything, NOT paranoically suspicious and alert, NOT feeling like some great big invincible warrior, just staying relaxed, calm and collected like I would go routinely through my daily business, entirely serene and unafraid but somewhere in the back of my mind capable of almost casually wreaking total mayhem when attacked. It's a fascinating exercise.
Somehow I figured out a technique which works for me to always keep calm. I process the emotions BEFORE something happens and then because I have already processed the emotions I can go with calm liquicity to the situation. Tends to work very well and you can just be calm and observe the underlying situation.
 

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to find good books in english about the meditation techniques of Ninjas. How they developed their super human skills is incredible to read, is a very well kept secret this Bujinkan method
Could you name the books
 

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Sorry, since I wrote this thread I bought a new PC and apparently I did not moved those books into my USB.
 
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