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WalkerOfSorrow

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Yes, but I'm wondering how you can tell the difference from initial contact. If you've never encountered the real thing, how do you know the fake from the real? How do you eliminate any doubt before it even begins? That is what I'm wondering. Perhaps I missed it, and if so, apologies.

For this I would argue that in GT you're not asking for any random love spirit. You would already know the specific spirit you wish to call and would most likely have already gone through the preliminaries to prepare the ritual chamber/space as such. So you wouldn't be walking down the street and asking for a date. Or actually, if you were, it's because you knew the specific person you were crushing on was out on this street today and you went to find them to ask them out. And, if you did not know which spirit you wanted to call, you would evaluate your needs/wants and break out the grimoires and/or spirit catalogs to find one.

I do, however, like the "let the spirits come to me" approach you utilize. I use it with "post-named" spirits; that is to say spirits who's name I don't know until after the ritual begins and contact is established, such as Genius Loci, nature spirits like goblins or even Elementals.
As I have already stated, my method is initial. I do not need time or repeated exposures to read the makeup of a spirit. My methods are not for other people to mimic, as though they can do what I do. If I were to teach, that would require time working with a specific practitioner to understand where they are at and how to best help. If Loki came to me claiming to be Zeus, and I having never met either, I do not expect the trickery would work. A momentary glance at the assumed form would be enough to read that it is a disguise, that it is loki, and that it is no heavenly or weather based deity. If other people cannot do this, I'm sorry, but you asked how it would go for me.

There is no technique beyond a cold read. I see the essence, I see its configuration, and I know what I am dealing with. If you are not getting the answer you're looking for, try asking a different question.
 

The God-King

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As I have already stated, my method is initial. I do not need time or repeated exposures to read the makeup of a spirit. My methods are not for other people to mimic, as though they can do what I do. If I were to teach, that would require time working with a specific practitioner to understand where they are at and how to best help. If Loki came to me claiming to be Zeus, and I having never met either, I do not expect the trickery would work. A momentary glance at the assumed form would be enough to read that it is a disguise, that it is loki, and that it is no heavenly or weather based deity. If other people cannot do this, I'm sorry, but you asked how it would go for me.

There is no technique beyond a cold read. I see the essence, I see its configuration, and I know what I am dealing with. If you are not getting the answer you're looking for, try asking a different question.
No, I think I understand what it all is now. Thank you.
 

WalkerOfSorrow

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Since the topic has been adequately raised, I will also go into my study of spirit types and their formations/behavior. This seems relevant, since the example given was a "spirit of love and passion."

First off, I am not in any position to say that a type of spirit "EXISTS" or "DOES NOT EXIST." I will make no such claims. That being said, there are many types I have had significant interaction with, though the individuals differ widely within the type, based on their attributes and behavior. And I will say I've never met any spirit characterized by love and passion, in a romantic or sexual context. I have encountered several that make claims about their aphrodisiac properties or romantic prowess, but these have always been claims (unsubstantiated).

What I have met is Elementals. I find that the four basic alignments tie in rather nicely to the four essences I have described. Very "Earthy" spirits, as you might encounter in the mountains, in a cave, or in deep woods, are generally very strongly tied to Physical essence. That does not mean they had physical bodies, as in most cases they had nothing immediately recognizable as their own personal body. But they drew much strength from the physical environment and its natural inhabitants, along with a sense of stability and safety (for them, not for me or my companions). They felt "rooted," in the sense of not going anywhere or doing much of anything. Some of these are more animalistic, or more plant-like, but that is more in their Sensual appearance rather than any reflection on their personality or abilities.

Those I have identified as "Water" spirits, I almost always find by a stream or river. Running water seems to appeal to them, but slower current makes them...dangerous. I think they don't like being trapped, or don't like their rest being disturbed by human presence. When going to a lake or ocean, which I have done on numerous occasions, I tend not to meet such spirits. I get a profound sense of not being alone, but I think that may have more to do with the abundant aquatic wildlife, hard to say. In terms of how they relate to Consciousness, I haven't seen a lot in common between them, except that I find Water spirits much easier to notice whether or not I'm actively looking for them. Psychic-aligned "Fire" spirits (described below) can be bright and flashy in a way, but generally not noticeable until they take on that aspect. Water spirits on the other hand, being so innately tied to Sensual essence, draw the senses.

The above-described "Fire" spirits are mercurial, often hostile, but they are my "type." I have an easier time speaking their language, and fighting their style of battle, than I do the other types. I don't always find them near sources of open flame, but their presence is felt in heatwaves and noonday sun, and in the dark of night (assuming they are close and particularly active). As they are psychic-aligned, I also commonly find them when exploring the Psychic Realm. In that, they like to masquerade as characters derived from my imagination or memory, or the minds of those they are closest to. I suspect a lot of why they may avoid me at fires is because the fire is not very large, and I am the dominant presence there. While I spend much of my physical and conscious life acting somewhat calm/subdued, my mind state is far more assertive and territorial. There is also the matter of Motion as a key attribute of Psychic essence; perhaps they just don't stick around long enough to spot.

"Air" spirits are a tricky subject, even for me. They exist on a higher, more remote scale, and their behaviors are chaotic even to my sensibilities. Fire energies leap, crack, and crawl. Water energies surge and ebb, flowing to a physical and sensual "gravity." But Air energies are...loose. Free. In a way I envy. While Fire energy makes me driven until I burn out, Air energy makes such spirits prone to wander, to drift aimlessly or with fickle interest. It takes the intense "heat" of my type, and the deep "cool" of Water energies, to stir them in a more powerful way. But that only makes them harder to control, harder to predict. This so-called freedom is not always to their advantage. I have spoken with more than a few who find their innately wandering nature a problem, one that makes it challenging to dedicate themselves to an important activity for long enough. I also find that their presence makes Fire energies more out-of-control, at the cost of weakening the Air energies. We are not good bedfellows.
 

WalkerOfSorrow

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But there is more to it than elements. I present to you, the breakdown of spirits as I currently understand it. This is an incomplete picture, which I am working on improving daily (not that the post will be edited to reflect this; I'll make other posts in the future).

Of primary interest to modern humans, we have the "Young Spirits." Distinct from "The Young Folk," who are an entirely different matter. Young spirits, or new spirits, are called this because they haven't been around the proverbial block very much. Before their recent incarnation or manifestation, they were subconscious eddies in a very big world. Perhaps they are born from unthinking fragments of many spirits that have been destroyed and scattered. This I cannot confirm. Today, you will primarily see these as Humans (not all humans), as some Animals, and in the creations of more unorthodox spiritualists. Egregores, for example.

Beyond the Young Spirits, we have the newest of the "Old Souls." These are reincarnated, having been humans, animals, or something like an Egregore in the distant past (according to the current, human understanding of time). Having lived a few times, they tend to take up positions of guardianship or mentorship, helping out the younger "generations." They are also driven to malice quite easily, as their memory of growing old multiple times (or being killed too early) wears on their patience for naïve, ignorant folk.

Occurring at about the same time chronologically, we have the youngest strain of minor Elementals, Tricksters, and Hungry Ghosts. Each of these terms will get a better explanation down the line, but know that this strain of them are not as ancient as the ones before, and generally not as powerful. Still quite dangerous if so driven.

Beyond all of these, we have the middle generations of ancient spirits. They walked the earth at a time when the human race was young, hardly established in any civilized way, and often saw them as tiny, insignificant animals. I distinguish between these as Hard Lights, Tricksters, and Accusers. The bulk of them were what I call Tricksters, spirits as old as the "Gods" you think of today, like the Greek and Norse pantheons. Many of them have stories predating any surviving written record. I call them Tricksters because their interactions with each other and with "lesser" beings were often in the context of a sick game. Always manipulating and putting up false fronts to create a reality the others had to live by. In a way that makes human machinations look simple, by comparison. In fact, many Tricksters would later be called "gods" by humans in some capacity, and described in all manner of ways that varied widely in accuracy.

The ones I call Hard Lights, I have no proper name for. The Christians and Kabbalists among you would likely think of them as Angels, or as the hand of God himself. The Zoroastrians referred to them as Amesha Spentas or Yazatas. I am certain of only this, because they are not prone to teach. What I have seen them doing is bluntly overpowering a well-meaning soul without warning, often causing great damage, to use that vessel as a way to help directly. I have also encountered one or two in passing, and been mildly harmed by the encounter, even though we were just walking by each other. And yes, I mean physically harmed. I have only seen two kinds of creature that can do that, aside from physical animals. Do not worship the Hard Lights, do not call on the Hard Lights, do not challenge or insult the Hard Lights. Steer clear of them at all costs. If you learn nothing else from me, learn that.

The ones I call Consumers, Hungry Ghosts, or Accusers may not even be a class of spirit in their own right. I characterize them by hunger for the good reason that it is all that remains. They are shadows, infinitely dark and void of substance or purpose. They act not with physicality, sensuality, mentality, or vitality, but with a hollow and sorrowful concavity that bends the light of reality itself. All essences respond to the presence and actions of a Hungry Ghost, but not because the Hungry Ghosts are controlling any of them. You have to be alive to do that, and I don't think these consumers are. They lost all vitality through some deep misfortune or wickedness, and all that remains is the desire to feed themselves, likely in hopes of regaining what they have lost. Ask me sometime about them. I have many stories.
 

WalkerOfSorrow

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Before even that generation, there were the Elementals, the great ones. All who were not actively an Elemental spirit in their own right, either served them or ruled them.

The Elementals themselves can be most easily classed into four elements, but not all human cultures agree on what the elements are, or what number of them exist. In some Hindu doctrine, divine activity is classified in a three-part moral structure of Creation, Sustenance, and Destruction. In some form, that is how Elementals behaved. They lorded tremendous power over the common spirits, and wiped out entire physical species without a thought. They were so great and terrible, it was they who governed the laws of reality, of physics, time, and space. The period I refer to cannot be referenced in the common human structure, because it "does not exist." That history occupies a bubble of reality now isolated from all that is, partly to protect those of us who remain. Earth buried all. Water flooded the world. Fire consumed everything it touched. Air was beyond reproach, beyond punishment. It is well for all living things that those powers have been contained. Much as I miss them.

The servile creatures had many hundreds, thousands, perhaps millions of general distinctions. My memory of them is poor, and for unfortunate reasons. But that was a time before anything you could call "human" would be recognized. These were primal spirits, more akin to beasts and innate emotion than to any person. And only one power in existence could quell them.

The Governors. The Existence that pervades and persists. I remember them as three people, but even that memory is deeply symbolic. The way I remember them, there was a maternal, religious governor; a paternal, materialistic governor; and a spiritual governor whose nature escapes binary confines of human description. To call them non-binary is only approaching the subject, and then only barely. Likely, there was more than one member of each of these three classes, but I know not. What they even were defies my ability to tell you, since I only know what they did. They selected powerful, wrathful spirits that were aggressive to others, and shaped them. The material governors taught them discipline and how to control their abilities. The religious governors taught them ideas, principles, morals. What exactly the spiritual governors did escapes me, but I believe they were the only way the other two could hold any semblance of control. There are deep laws that have been wrought and rewrought over countless eons, many of which to control Elementals. To hide them. And I think the root of that vine is that third class of Governor.

I'll give these new posts time to sit. After we've talked some more, I'll share other information.
 
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