They used to offer contracts a lot more frequently than they do now, but I never accept them I prefer authority over contracts. But the worst requests I've had were blood and people, I think the weirdest request was for a silly party cup that I keep full or else it will kill my garden. I usually don't take them. I think I have one active contract right now but my end and its end are incredibly benign. My experience with the djinn is more often than not they are not interested in religion, religious commitments, or sacred texts; though I can weaponize certain salawats, the basmala, and godnames against them if things go south and I need to enter interrogation mode. Most of them have had the motivation of getting someone to let them out. And that kind of narrative has destroyed better wizards than I, so I don't engage with them on that level.What about these, the ones from behind the dhikr/verses/chapters of the quran. The terms can be fine for some people but kind of difficult for others. I know many of them are based on a certain number of recitations either daily or weekly, long rituals. Like reciting a dua or verse x number of times. I recall one requirement for the khodam jinn of ayatul kursi, being about 3-4 hours of recitations a day. Some mad sufi would be happy with thatWhat requirements are you talking about here? Similar?
You are a wild guy, that's why we love you!
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I've heard from some mad sufi stories about people who broke the contract and things went completely downhill after that. In one case a shaykh had to interfere to save the guy. It was a contract with khodam jinn of some other chapter/verse not kursi.
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I like the ones more where a contract is made for a certain duration, to recite. Many others though they make one that is for a lifetime and this can become problematic.
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It's like what @solxyz said, the recitations, engaging in prayer and staying pure. It can be done let's say in the churches where you light candles before icons. You could ask for certain something and offer prayers. Perhaps you get a dream where a monk like figure shows up. Then something happens. As always of course if you have an agreement, honor your part of the detail and fulfill the requirements.
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Damn autocorrect, meant to say deal not detail.
So instead of a clear agreement you can just let it squat in your subconscious? What are you exactly supposed to get from that?
No, that is not a pact. That is something like an open-ended, undefined alliance. Those are also good spirit relationships to have, although I would absolutely not be putting my blood on a demonic seal without a very clear definition of terms.
I see, that is a form of pact, you keep your end of the deal and they keep theirs. The more i learn about the Saints the more versitile they are, there is very little i want to ask demons now. Of course there are always going to be things i won't bring to a saint
I am fine with calling it an open-ended undefined alliance. Just to be clear, it is not something I recommend doing.
Yes but the spirits who come from there, especially when you do saint work in churches, if you are asking for weird material things they never reach the saints, completely different ones fulfill your requests. People ask to manipulate events, people, bend their will. Would somebody holy really do that for your selfish goals?
I've messed around with the saint stuff since the early days and it has always triggered really weird spirits.Ah yes I remember, well yes they're the different djinn, those never want recitations. I think you spoke about this in one of your videos too.
I see, is this a catholic thing or orthodox? I remember hearing about "Abara" is this who answers or is there more like him?Yes but the spirits who come from there, especially when you do saint work in churches, if you are asking for weird material things they never reach the saints, completely different ones fulfill your requests. People ask to manipulate events, people, bend their will. Would somebody holy really do that for your selfish goals?
I asked them for things which went against their nature, all the time.
Requests related to asceticism, prayer, better connection to the prayers, scriptures and purification of mind, thoughts. All these reached them and the effects were completely different.
Most of the agreements I made were based on recitations and they worked fine but you kind of always overpay with the energy, and all of these systems require a lot, especially if you do it with the psalms or sufi methods. It was fine because I like the practices a lot.
Some of them were on-going agreements where as long as I kept doing certain rituals, unseen support came at all times.
I see so maybe for every Saint there could be a shadow behind it, people aren't perfect so it make sense that some entities would come to fulfill their selfish desires in place of the Saints. Is the offering given to the Saints (prayers/Recitations) the same to these other entities when asking for more material things? Maybe you could ask the Saints about this strange emotional state you get after you petition these.
So i could Make a deal with a saint like " i will recite all the psalms over a week (21-22 per day) for Helping me level up spiritually.
They're like some low astral beings who fulfill weird requests. Abara and such too.
Abara, people say it loves blasphemous acts, inverted candles. I have not done any of that and it still works.
This came because of overall instability I had due to very high openness to all energies and my own slightly wild nature. It multiplied everything to the maximum and connected me with the other entities. It gave a constant power trip, a bit different than what I usually got there. It's about like feeling you're the king of the world, high as the desert sky, instead of humility and peace what the church should be about.
With the 7 days reading plan you could also add some specific readings to your favorite saint and see what happens. The novena or akathist, novenas should be read in a single go. Then the icon, candle and maybe incense in front of it. The 7 day method is used by many people. It makes you more connected and spiritually open over time. Benedict? Novenas. Establish a connection to it, honoring the saint. In case of Benedict I'd probably also get the medal and wear it.
I'd leave the agreement thing out until you feel a lot more connected to it.
Then the very religious Djinn I've met are atypical? Not just Islamic but Jewish as well. Also, 'let them out' of what exactly? Gems or containers?
Interesting, so the instability was more of a mix of things causing it.With the 7 days reading plan you could also add some specific readings to your favorite saint and see what happens. The novena or akathist, novenas should be read in a single go. Then the icon, candle and maybe incense in front of it. The 7 day method is used by many people. It makes you more connected and spiritually open over time. Benedict? Novenas. Establish a connection to it, honoring the saint. In case of Benedict I'd probably also get the medal and wear it.
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Then at some point I'd do the full readings in front of the icon, stating the dedication, with praises and requests. Then see what happens. With enough of these, you will start getting into more interesting states, but all that will take a while.
Thank you i will definitely check out this book
Anything related to instability caused by excessive practicing is very hard to describe/explain, because so many factors shape the outcome and as the years go by a lot can and will change. You have to make a lot of personal discoveries. There can be periods where you will be walking between sanity and insanity, this is especially so with such recitation based methods and agreements. This is also why you should stick to just on-going ones for a long time because you might not be able to fulfill your part due to spiritual problems.
"periods where you will be walking between sanity and insanity" That sounds dangerous.Anything related to instability caused by excessive practicing is very hard to describe/explain, because so many factors shape the outcome and as the years go by a lot can and will change. You have to make a lot of personal discoveries. There can be periods where you will be walking between sanity and insanity, this is especially so with such recitation based methods and agreements. This is also why you should stick to just on-going ones for a long time because you might not be able to fulfill your part due to spiritual problems.
I wanted to do a couple of specific rituals for such agreements but because the effects were so bad I had to cancel the process after x number of days. Some spirits were not happy, they were slightly tilted and appeared in the dream like states. The highly specific type of energy from there, it just caused a mess. The mess came because of my previous experience with other verses/texts. There's entire rocket science behind that
Depends where/what. Sometimes the problems return. With the 40 day method of psalms, let's say. if you go for it and break it, problems may reappear. Let's say you are granted your request but you were initially supposed to do it for 40d, after 20 you decided to quit. There are some pages about this somewhere online @Ziran probably knows more.
Don't ask me why but if there's an agreement you always... always have to fulfill your part, if you've gone for such a deal. I prefer to do things just on-going and aiming for streaks. Let's say I do some practice for x days, then another, and something of course daily. I have the whole practice based on that. On-going, experiments, more experiments. Fixed and not fixed practices. I've done agreements in the past for a duration and they worked fine. The thing is that for me it's easier because I just love reciting things.
Good thing i am taking slower first, and maybe a combination of rest and meditation can help if the system is too much. you really experimented a lot.
It sounds almost like an addiction when you mentioned it, not being able to stop isn't that bad when beneficial but when you need to stop it can be bad. would this addiction not be worse with the EucharistI will definitely stick to just the psalms for a long while, i don't know enough about the Quran to go into the frequency. after the psalm maybe The hesychasm or the eucharist or something else.
Im thinking smaller weekly agreement might be better when i first start off then later on with more experience i can do longer. I always keep my promises to spirits.
