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Is this possible, to initiate into the spiritual side of freemasonry?
Using Manly Halls Secret Wisdom of All Ages, and published rituals, would 8t he possible? Up to the highest rite?
 
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Look bro, you're an armchair RHP pussy at best at worst you're a well read charlatan. Remember when you said you weren't trying to be rude? You use statements like that to clothe your disrespect for other people on different paths than you, the worst part is in your mind you're never wrong.
Why does everyone have to be a "pussy" to you?

What RHP system did you ever diligently work through to the end?

To call someone names is rude. And immature.
 
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More important is to find a lodge that does real work. So park outside nearby lodges at meeting times and observe the brethren as they enter. What qualities do you detect?

The cosmic tide is going out on a wide range of ritual/spiritual/religious groups and their memberships are shrinking rapidly. Groups suited for the new cycle are not easy to find
I think this is a fair claim.
To be blunt, we generally like beer. Some like it far too much. Same with drugs.

Someone wrote in a Dion Fortunes book the haphazard 8dea to smoke a joint before an initiation. Spirits tore him a new one.

Some are grossly overweight.

Some are immature or somewhat violent.

It's not difficult to watch a group of people and watch their looks or behavior for example.

So I can see Roma's point. I also see everyone else's point.

I can say that I'm ignorant or possibly wrong.

LHP or RHP, many of us can be wrong.
 
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It is possible to self-initiate into the spiritual side of Freemasonry!

But there's a catch...

You have to be a Freemason first in order to do so!

What I mean is: one of the big things about Freemasonry is about Brotherly Love (the other two being "Relief" and "Truth"), so if you try to become a Freemason whilst missing out on the Brotherhood that comes from being part of a lodge, you're kind of missing the point.

That being said, when you actually get into Freemasonry, you will find that the vast majority isn't actually either spiritual or esoteric, unless you happen to join a lodge which was specifically set-up to be so, such as a Memphis Misraim lodge, or one which follows the teachings of W L Wilmshurst or C W Leadbeater.

Hence, in order to be both a Freemason and into the spiritual side of the Craft, you will of necessity have to take on a lot of personal responsibility to do so, treading a lonely path unless you happen to make contact with like-minded Brethren. For example, there is a lot of inner-work to be done like meditation, self-study, etc. However saying that, the good news is that spiritually minded Brethren are out there: for instance you could try googling the Dormer masonic study circle.

Fraternal best wishes,

Alex Sumner
Ave,

I appreciate your posts. And others of course, there is always something we can learn. It's been a long time since my drug and beer fueled fraternity days.
I don't miss the partying or being kicked out of school.
I do miss the brothers I had.
It's a pity that my memory gets worse every day, and that we have all drifted so far apart, or at least this INTP drifted fault away from my brothers.
There is a lot to be said for fraternal organizations.
I will look up everyone's references.

Care,

Nocte Ac Die
 

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Is this possible, to initiate into the spiritual side of freemasonry?
Using Manly Halls Secret Wisdom of All Ages, and published rituals, would 8t he possible? Up to the highest rite?

MPH was not a Freemason when he wrote the Secret Wisdom. As with Wilmhurst, there is a lot of guessing

But, the genuine initiate is always self-made.

The first initiation ( internal control of the physical and etheric energies) is said to soon become a public event - using formats such as declaring oneself for Christ (charismatic churches) or declared commitment to the GAOTU (Freemasonry).

The first initiation is often experienced as a dream event. I recall being in a garden and having to hand out things to people coming down stairs to the lower garden. I remembered that dream for 20 years before I understood that I was demonstrating control of an inner plane body and therefore my level of functionality

The second initiation is based on control of the emotional body. Of the second degree initiates I have met, none has mentioned memory of a dream ceremony. So I think the group acceptance of the self-made initiate is not experienced in the personality


The initiate is always self-made. The ceremony consolidates the achievement and admits the initiates to a peer group - not on the physical plane
 
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MPH was not a Freemason when he wrote the Secret Wisdom. As with Wilmhurst, there is a lot of guessing

But, the genuine initiate is always self-made.

The first initiation ( internal control of the physical and etheric energies) is said to soon become a public event - using formats such as declaring oneself for Christ (charismatic churches) or declared commitment to the GAOTU (Freemasonry).

The first initiation is often experienced as a dream event. I recall being in a garden and having to hand out things to people coming down stairs to the lower garden. I remembered that dream for 20 years before I understood that I was demonstrating control of an inner plane body and therefore my level of functionality

The second initiation is based on control of the emotional body. Of the second degree initiates I have met, none has mentioned memory of a dream ceremony. So I think the group acceptance of the self-made initiate is not experienced in the personality


The initiate is always self-made. The ceremony consolidates the achievement and admits the initiates to a peer group - not on the physical plane
Impressive that MPH wrote that book before becoming a Mason....
Of course his teacher was Steiner if I recall correctly, who knew a great deal as well.
Self-made...interesting as most fraternities 8ve encountered don't seem to churn out droves of spiritual geniuses.
 

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Craft Masonic initiations are reasonable play-acting of the genuine processes. For example the third degree is a representation of the Isaic Mysteries where the candidate was taken out of the body and paraded around the solar system and inner earth - meeting "the gods celestial and the gods infernal". As a result the candidate had no fear of death.

The modern higher degrees are progressively less useful. Some are the result of small esoteric groups hiding within Masonry - and then the esoteric groups apparently ceasing to exist.

So the craft degrees are Egyptian. Holy Royal Arch and 18th are Sumerian. Royal Ark Mariners is alien. 30th is Kabbalistic. There are Hindu modifications after the British took India

Craft Masonry is mostly superior in terms of results - depending on the quality of candidate and lodge - both mostly deficient these days
 

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There is something to be said regarding stars and such. Read the book of Job out of the Bible, plenty of star references.
The demons are constellations/nebulas etc.
Read Revelation of St John for example.

Past this I've no more to say except any of us can be wrong, just look past your pride to see it.
Of course there is but not everything has to do with stars etc
Especially in masonry where they talk about the Great Architect of The Universe.
 

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Hiram seems to be a title - meaning "high born"

Hence:

Hiram Abiff - approx: high born my father (whose identity is not revealed)
Hiram King of Tyre: high born king
 
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Reasons for concentrating on stars and cosmos...

1. The tree of life Chokmah sphere. A magus should be aware of this.
2. The bible has tons of references to stars.
3. Indigenous beliefs.
 

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The title seems to be Sumerian in origin meaning both: High born - From far away

Thus: Heru the Elder, Heru the Younger, Hermes, Hiram, Hera - all heroes
 

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While current Freemasonry is greatly deficient it has shown occasional signs of life.

Here is a note from my diary that I noticed recently. It refers to the 5 Electricities that the Hindus considered underpinning experienced Existence.


The various ladders that appear in Masonry represent the planes (and potentially the electricities) - although usually with philosophical and religious overlays.

The mosaic pavement is an attractor of energy flows of particular planes and may on occasion attract an electricity or two. In retrospect, I can see one meeting where the pavement attracted the highest electricity associated with the mental plane (5E1 in my notation). It is perhaps more correct to say that that electricity came from above in response to a voluminous light from the East, and the electricity condensed around the vertices of the tiles - as would electrostatic energy.

The natural creation of portals in Masonic ritual may invoke electricities from higher planes - always bearing in mind that these are self-intelligent energies.


Perhaps that is something to look forward to in the next iteration of Masonry
 

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Blavatsky refers to the electricities as Fohat:

"HPB states that it is “the active force in Universal Life” and “the personified electric vital power, the transcendental binding Unity of all Cosmic Energies, on the unseen as on the manifested planes, the action of which resembles – on an immense scale – that of a living Force created by WILL, in those phenomena where the seemingly subjective acts on the seemingly objective and propels it to action.”"

blavatskytheosophy.com/fohat-the-cosmic-electricity/
 

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Electricity was a great thing at that times. People believed it could do literally anything. Even waking up deads. It was an Avantgarde that made believe that science was better than God. All that science was electricity, capacitors and solenoids.
That left its traces in everything. It was the new belief. Bardon wrote the vagina is magnetic on the outside and electric on the inside. Doesn't matter if it made sense or not. Some namedropping and job done.
 
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