Where Gods come from; or, The advantages of ejecting religion from one's praxis

[Beyond Everything]

That is exactly what it describes. Do you "manifest" or "attract" results through visualization and intent while retaining everyday, waking consciousness? Perhaps you are not familiar with the meditative practices of the yogis--that's okay.

That's simply false. It details devotion to an egregore (Krishna). Relaxing before visualizing a result you want is not the same thing, nor is attracting what you want the same as being promised success in all your actions. Youre conflating things and ignoring the stipulation I made- a text describing using visualization only in order to attract desirable circumstances. Such a text does not exist, and that is telling in and of itself.

Im not opening any doors - for you. Perhaps someone else might get something out of it. Perhaps not. I don't type things Ive simply read, however.

 

[silencewaits]

That's simply false. It details devotion to an egregore (Krishna). Relaxing before visualizing a result you want is not the same thing, nor is attracting what you want the same as being promised success in all your actions. Youre conflating things and ignoring the stipulation I made- a text describing using visualization only in order to attract desirable circumstances. Such a text does not exist, and that is telling in and of itself.

Have you considered that there is an exoteric and esoteric interpretation of the text? Who is Krishna, and why is he, being representative of the eternal and formless Absolute, relevant? How would a yogi interpret that text, versus someone who simply worshiped him? What can you learn from that? Besides, a lot of 'manifestation' is hokey bullshit. If you center yourself firmly upon a goal, intensely meditate on it, and work towards it with determination--something may happen. That's basic magic. Is what is described not the same process? Simply visualizing something does not make it more likely to happen, there is more to the process. Furthermore, Krishna is not an egregore. I have already defined what an egregore is. I don't believe he, or any other god, exists--but he can be useful as a symbol. You can read texts he is included in and gain something.

Im not opening any doors - for you. Perhaps someone else might get something out of it. Perhaps not. I don't type things Ive simply read, however.

You speak a lot of immortality, and use nice words, but you have yet to detail this process of ascension. Have you undergone this process?

 

[Beyond Everything]

Besides, a lot of 'manifestation' is hokey bullshit. If you center yourself firmly upon a goal, intensely meditate on it, and work towards it with determination--something may happen. That's basic magic. Is what is described not the same process? Simply visualizing something does not make it more likely to happen, there is more to the process. Furthermore, Krishna is not an egregore. I have already defined what an egregore is. I don't believe he, or any other god, exists--but he can be useful as a symbol. You can read texts he is included in and gain something.

So is manifestation bullshit, or is it something that text talked about?

'Something may happen'. Look, I can tell right away you lack experience in this area, because experienced people KNOW that it is possible to visualize things and for them to come to pass- including without doing any mundane work for them. In other words, it can function not merely as a motivational took but actually alters reality. I'd personally consider experience with this a prerequisite for even calling one's self an occultist. It is a basic capability of being human.

You speak a lot of immortality, and use nice words, but you have yet to detail this process of ascension. Have you undergone this process?

Nice words? I think these areas are very difficult to circumscribe with language. As I said- I'm just opening the door a tiny bit, for someone who is ready.

As far as ascension, I'd first work on getting experience with manifesting, as you clearly have no clue what is possible as a human.

 

[Savodonger]

I can tell you the way I was taught we ascend as spiritual beings but surrounded by two very intellectual people here, I guess you would find my explanations a-little infantile to say the least. Or am I drifting off topic?

 

[Beyond Everything]

I can tell you the way I was taught we ascend as spiritual beings but surrounded by two very intellectual people here, I guess you would find my explanations a-little infantile to say the least. Or am I drifting off topic?

I certainly wouldn't consider myself 'very intellectual', but I do have experiences to draw upon for my views.

Anyway, I see no reason not to give your perspective on it.

 

[Kepler]

This seems to me a development in understanding the underlying principles of syncretism with its resurgence.

Terminology, philosophy, hyperphysics are still very nascent.

For me there is a distinction between egregores created by biological life and those created at the formation of the Universe in a hylozoic model. With it a philosophy for the former as a self-determining response of natural selection to the latter can be made.

Bios egregores developed from observed discrete aspects of Creation(spacetime/matterenergy) as communicated to the layers of the cosmic mind(Earth/Sol/Sgr A*/...?) across the universe. Forming them in a co-creative hyperspatial reality from the same matter energy that is being observed and creating bios responses. Life creating life.
Calendars, and later decans. Civil development. Egregores are the ladder to ascendency.

For immortality, in a simple sense, in the model they hold us in their minds and we reincarnate from them. For a pop culture reference, The World Between Worlds in Ahsoka gives a fair superficial idea, as well as implication in how it can bridge worlds ala SMI2LE.