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Wicca is bs?

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Personally, I believe the idea of charging rocks with the full moon and making little spell jars is childish and silly. However, I don't know too much about the subject so I'll let everyone decide for themselves
And for what is Magic that you didn't directly experience effect by your own self? And this is basically message for everyone. We magicians don't seek opinions or just merely some external outcome. infact magic and science was once "ONE". So you normally observe the potence of your magical operation as scientist and that also requires a lot of introspection and self-reflection.
 

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My opinion regarding wicca...it can be a good practice for some. I started out with it. But the binaryness of it was what turned me away from it. I'm nonbinary and I felt it wasn't acknowledging how diverse the world is it's many shades. You have light and dark but there's also twilight kind of thing. Theres the feminine and masculine but also neuter and androgynous energies and shades that are mixed. There's also the fact it feels...Christianized for a lack of a better term. Like the people who made it were trying hard to make their religion appeal to (ex)abrahamics. Not that that's a bad thing but it's not for me. I also don't like the false history aspect of many people who practice it but many neopagans not just Wiccans include false history in their works.
 

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Personally, I believe the idea of charging rocks with the full moon and making little spell jars is childish and silly. However, I don't know too much about the subject so I'll let everyone decide for themselves
i can tell you a special kind of metal that can bring you immense wealth from holding it, its called any precious metal.
 

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It is worth asking if Wicca might not be a "hide." That is, a public show of fluff magick, tantazingly occult but with a "safe," benevolent vibe. Then among the well-versed, there might be be a genuinely powerful core coterie. One hears this sort of thing bruited about regarding the old Golden Dawn group and a few others. That the inner leadership used the rank and file as the occult equivalent of aphids, draining their energy. Wicca tends to be pretty loosely organized, but one wonders about this side to it. Its overall tone is nice and non-threatening. But then, one meets some geuinely formidable Wiccans. So, whether it be B.S. or not might well depend on the Wiccan him or herself.
 
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Personally, I believe the idea of charging rocks with the full moon and making little spell jars is childish and silly. However, I don't know too much about the subject so I'll let everyone decide for themselves
It's a Frankenstein religion drawn from the practices of the hermetic order of the golden dawn and British Trad Witchcraft or Cunning Work. Those specific techniques are commonly utilized in British Trad Witchcraft and they are legit but the methods used not original in how they modern practices and missing alot of the context of the original practice.

For instance the figure of Diana in Wicca is drawn from the Roman Cult of the Grecian Artemis syncretized with the cult of the Titaness Selene at some point but who's followers were always majority female. At some point in the middle ages the remnants of that cult, among whatever survived christianization across western europe, got mixed with christian mythology and became it's own thing. Similar to what happened with African Traditional Religions in the Americas under colonialism and slavery.

The founder of Wicca took that and other scattered practices here or there to make his own unique religion further syncretizing said elements. All that said, wiccan practices are not bull**** as far the power behind them (provided the wiccan themselves knows what they are doing), but the historical basis behind their practices are... shall we say fairly recent.
 
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Personally, I believe the idea of charging rocks with the full moon and making little spell jars is childish and silly. However, I don't know too much about the subject so I'll let everyone decide for themselves
All I know is I don't really like Wiccans. I think Wicca is just quasi-Christianity pretending to be paganism, and Wiccans tend to be larpers in my opinion. However I'd be willing to be okay with that if it wasn't for how hypocritical they can be.

I remember a few years ago, I joined a wiccan coven. Discussions were more about politics than magic. I remember getting called misogynist because I defended Johnny Bravo. They'd talk on and on about tolerance, love and light. But as soon you show a difference of opinion, they begin rebuking you like some 14th century priest. I remember asking about asking if anyone worked with Loki or the Jotun, and they kicked me out, calling me a Satanist.
 

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All I know is I don't really like Wiccans. I think Wicca is just quasi-Christianity pretending to be paganism, and Wiccans tend to be larpers in my opinion. However I'd be willing to be okay with that if it wasn't for how hypocritical they can be.
Can Wiccans effect change in the universe?

IMHO yes. Although maybe not everyone. For some Wicca will be more mysticism than magick.
I remember a few years ago, I joined a wiccan coven. Discussions were more about politics than magic. I remember getting called misogynist because I defended Johnny Bravo. They'd talk on and on about tolerance, love and light. But as soon you show a difference of opinion, they begin rebuking you like some 14th century priest. I remember asking about asking if anyone worked with Loki or the Jotun, and they kicked me out, calling me a Satanist.
This happens with lots of groups. Loki and Jötunn: not everyone is copasetic with exploring their shadow side.
 
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Can Wiccans effect change in the universe?

IMHO yes. Although maybe not everyone. For some Wicca will be more mysticism than magick.

This happens with lots of groups. Loki and Jötunn: not everyone is copasetic with exploring their shadow side.
I can't say who can and cannot affect change on the universe, but when I pick up a book on Wiccan magic, I don't feel any power.

Loki is an essential part of Norse mythology. And frankly, the rest of the Nordic pantheon aren't exactly PC. I mean, if someone is offended over Johnny Bravo, they're gonna be offended by how Freya agreed to have sex with four dwarves for a necklace.
 

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Aidan Wachter is quite popular around here, and in his third, latest and seemingly most appreciated book (Changeling, A Book Of Qualities), he lists fifty-five different qualities that witches supposedly possess, with a small chapter on each of them; they are all qualities that it would well behoove maturing mages to assimilate and embrace.

All three of his books are available in ebook form in the Book Shares section of Wizard Forums (the other two are titled Six Ways: Approaches & Entries For Practical Magic and Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing The Past & Telling True Lies).

If you want to avoid whitelight fluffybunny rainbow unicorn Wicca and study the more serious side of the Craft (and yes, it does indeed exist), stick with the more classic authors in the field, One of them is Doreen Valiente; another is Janet Farrar. There are others, and these two can point you to them in their bibliographies. Wicca is a young, eclectic and syncretic faith, but there are power and wisdom to be found there. However, I would advise seekers along that path to seek wisdom, not power; those who seek power without also seeking the concomitant wisdom may indeed attain some power, but may lack the understanding to properly use it and find that its employment fails them in their aims, goals and desires, or even results in adverse consequences. Those who seek wisdom, however, will also attain power, in its proper time and measure, as they become wise enough in its ways to properly engage with it.
 
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Yes, perhaps it is a good introduction but personally I think at some point you must adopt more advanced ideas to achieve occult power.
I agree with this, and think that if a person was left to nature alone to decide a spiritual practice, they would not arrive at Wicca.
 

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Personally, I believe the idea of charging rocks with the full moon and making little spell jars is childish and silly. However, I don't know too much about the subject so I'll let everyone decide for themselves
Yeah, I guess beating off on a sigil is a far more noble way to start...
 

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718,2:25. Let the Wicca be as they choose;
Possibly mentioned in the quoted apocrypha because their beliefs aren't predicated on the assumption of a transcendent god from an obsolete misunderstanding of the cosmos devoid of reality.

Wicca being an adaptive philosophy of nature finding sympathies with pagan expression, but not confined to past misunderstanding of reality or dogma. It's going through a 21st century transition.

I enjoy celebrating the Sabbats along with the Vernal Equinox. The solar cross-quarters occurring on the ecliptic across from constellations of the celestial equator as they end midnight culmination are particularly timely for ceremonies of celestially synchronizing. I'd consider these ceremonies Wicca, but Wiccans might not.

I enjoy fruit berry mead and the variety of other festivities.

Revolt from the monolith, come back to the village.
 

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Personally, I believe the idea of charging rocks with the full moon and making little spell jars is childish and silly. However, I don't know too much about the subject so I'll let everyone decide for themselves
Well media witchcraft is different then actual witchcraft.

Wicca and witchcraft are 2 different things.

The first being a religion the second being a practice or art.

There is many different kinds of witchcraft as many as there is techniques within them.
 

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Well media witchcraft is different then actual witchcraft.

Wicca and witchcraft are 2 different things.

The first being a religion the second being a practice or art.

There is many different kinds of witchcraft as many as there is techniques within them.
Witchcraft and religion go hand and hand. Whether we like it or not, all religions fall into some sort of esoteric practice. Such as the ritual of baptism or the catholic mass, communion, etc. Ritualism is an esoteric subject, every religion has esoteric concepts. Meaning they all go hand in hand. Not to mention, you are wrong. Witchcraft is witchcraft. Witchcraft is a term used to describe ritualistic/spiritual practices that aim to obtain a type of enlightenment. Witchcraft and religion are the same thing basically.
 
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Witchcraft and religion go hand and hand. Whether we like it or not, all religions fall into some sort of esoteric practice. Such as the ritual of baptism or the catholic mass, communion, etc. Ritualism is an esoteric subject, every religion has esoteric concepts. Meaning they all go hand in hand. Not to mention, you are wrong. Witchcraft is witchcraft. Witchcraft is a term used to describe ritualistic/spiritual practices that aim to obtain a type of enlightenment. Witchcraft and religion are the same thing basically.
I have often thought you could call magic applied theology or applied mythology.
 
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