Your ideal form of government?

[Xenophon]

I'm well aware of that. I was talking about when we rebuild after everything finally collapses

Good--planning ahead. As one sometime prophetess of doom wrote, "After the deluge, us!"

 

[IllusiveOwl]

Has anyone suggested governments with Pharoah like god-kings yet? Monarchy with enlightened beings and oracles at the top? Maybe with a Lao-Tzu kind of "let the fucking people rule their own lives and don't be a prick" philosophy?

 

[Lord_Cthulhu]

I don't know what the answer is but it ain't what we got

 

[Djnenas]

Not gonna lie, if I was powerful and immortal, I would force a dictatorship. It's not something I crave, lust for, or even think about regularly... but IF I had the powers handed to me, that is what I would do. The general population is far too stupid and unfocused to be making the correct decisions for humanity as a whole.

I would pick capitalism (or the hybrid mix of capitalism we see in developed western countries) over hardcore communism any day... but just because it's the best option we have right now, doesn't mean it's literally the abolute best option.

Honestly, I fucking hate the UN, and I think the world would overall be a much better place if war and conquest were allowed. This whole "countries are soverign and you can't declare war" is causing so much stagnation. A poor, developing country stays poor and underdeveloped because its resources are used inefficiently, whether due to lack of education/skills or corruption etc.

Whereas in the past, a more powerful, developed country would simply take over, utilize the resources more efficiently, and if there is any value in the native population, they would be left to enjoy the benefits of a more developed society/economy/technology... and if they were useless, they would be wiped out, and humanity would be better off for it.

The only problem I really see is slavery, which I'm not a big fan of.

But IMO survival of the fittest is essential, be it on an individual level, a species level, or a national level. The stronger, and more capable should take over the weaker and less capable, and integrate them in to society, and uplift them (by force if necessary), and eventually become one, stronger nation. That is far more conducive to progress than a thin veneer of forced peace over economic warfare, and stagnation, where the rich get richer, secure in knowing that no one has the right to contest them, and the poor get poorer due to being economically exploited by the rich, but never receiving any of the benefits of that exploitation because "you're your own soverign country, and don't deserve the benefits of our country, even though we secretly exploit your cheap labour and corrupt government".

Wars of conquest, and colonization wold be far better for everyone in the long run.

100% You must be twin of my soulmate!!!! It is so sad the world seems to be... STUCK!!! Children having children!!! And the gullible will tell ya "We are freeeeee!!!!!!" ... NOOOO, you aint!!!!! You never own anything here, the government does!!! The so called American dream???? is just that.... a far away DREAM nobody ever reach... ask the elderly that cant work and dont get enough of a pension but still have to pay taxes for their own "home" otherwise they lose it "Because of unpaid taxes".... so much of that dream...

 

[Khoren_]

100% You must be twin of my soulmate!!!! It is so sad the world seems to be... STUCK!!! Children having children!!! And the gullible will tell ya "We are freeeeee!!!!!!" ... NOOOO, you aint!!!!! You never own anything here, the government does!!! The so called American dream???? is just that.... a far away DREAM nobody ever reach... ask the elderly that cant work and dont get enough of a pension but still have to pay taxes for their own "home" otherwise they lose it "Because of unpaid taxes".... so much of that dream...

People read the Dune Series and go "The God King is the hero", "Paul did nothing wrong", and "Duncan Idaho is a traitor"

 

[Xenophon]

Has anyone suggested governments with Pharoah like god-kings yet? Monarchy with enlightened beings and oracles at the top? Maybe with a Lao-Tzu kind of "let the fucking people rule their own lives and don't be a prick" philosophy?

Actually they have. Patrick O'Brian's Jack Aubrey novels float the idea---he has Maturin the philosophe and admirer of the French Revolution admit the notion's cogency. I know a few historians working for a TV network here who like the idea. Evola, Guenon and their buds look for the coming Cakravartin. So did Savitri Devi, Miguel Serrano, De Rosario, et.al.

 

[djcullgirl]

"No gods, no masters" - an adage of my youth. Now, i frame it as "no law above natural law" - the problem is, who defines this? and is that not how we got to the position we are in now

 

[IllusiveOwl]

"no law above natural law" - the problem is, who defines this?

I believe nature defines this, no person. Things flowing by their nature in harmony, even if that harmony winds up being destructive for both parties. No opinion is needed to observe nature, so there isn't any potential for misinterpretation.

 

[electra heart]

Not that I think it would actually work, but anarchy would be my ideal lol. I do think the vast majority of people require someone making decisions for them, though, so I don't believe it's practical.

More practically, I think maybe we just need local governance by provinces/ states. Ruling over a country doesn't make sense, especially if it's big. The needs of people vary from city to city, let alone state to state..

We need to bring back the guillotine. Politicians should be afraid of us. How else are they going to make decisions that benefit the people if they're not scared of pissing off their constituents?

 

[magick&psionics]

Kinda of

if you ran things what government would you set up?

As society has evolved we threw off the power of kings and rulers (so we say). yet in 2022 the governments we elect decide who we vote for, waste our taxes, etc...and we demonize dictatorships when our history of interfering in other countries is no better, I think we just paint America as the greatest place to live, I love America yet we shouldn’t sugar coat history. It reminds me of history in schools where we make our founding fathers out to be Saints when Lincoln had racist views and Washington could be a grade A asshole.

imo if I ran things I would be an absolute dictator, having said that, people should have the right to over throw their government when it becomes tyrannical.

the reason for my choice is that people don’t seem to have the capacity to use their ability to vote in a responsible way.

Kind of like both communist and capitalism. And the whole drug laws with Portugal thing. Like if you wanna so do something go do it. Just don't be a dick. Idk I've never ran a country before

 

[silencewaits]

A lot of people think they would make a good dictator, but most people wouldn't want to live under a dictatorship.

 

[Xenophon]

A lot of people think they would make a good dictator, but most people wouldn't want to live under a dictatorship.

That's because they haven't tried brand Xeno!

Actually though, this simply shows the key thing for a dictatorship/oligarchy to do is to convince people they are not living under a dictatorship/oligarchy. The EU has been pretty good at that till lately (now the gloves are coming off). Biden's handlers a little less adroit.

 

[jkeller293]

Yeah true but it's only the biggest, most powerful country who basically owns the UN who gets to have wars, and even then, they aren't wars of conquest. Conquest means you take over the country and make it part of your own domain once you have beaten them... IF they did that with whatever country they chose to pick a fight with, at least the population would be integrated, and live with the benefits of US standard of living.

Speaking about the UN, i find it interesting that the WEF and UN partnership is never discussed in the media even though their agenda is public to read. Their plan in my perspective supersedes most of what the political theatre we are fed says about this world with the nation vs nation narratives.

To stay on topic — i like the idea of capitalism, but currently in the United States I see a corporalist society.

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That's because they haven't tried brand Xeno!

Actually though, this simply shows the key thing for a dictatorship/oligarchy to do is to convince people they are not living under a dictatorship/oligarchy. The EU has been pretty good at that till lately (now the gloves are coming off). Biden's handlers a little less adroit.

That, and a solid cult of personality. It seems like the "hero" image is the most popular concept for that.

 

[Xenophon]

Speaking about the UN, i find it interesting that the WEF and UN partnership is never discussed in the media even though their agenda is public to read. Their plan in my perspective supersedes most of what the political theatre we are fed says about this world with the nation vs nation narratives.

To stay on topic — i like the idea of capitalism, but currently in the United States I see a corporalist society.

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That, and a solid cult of personality. It seems like the "hero" image is the most popular concept for that.

The U.S. is entering a tertiary stage of politico-economical matters. The one where the proles find they can vote themselves funding from the public treasury and do so. The other day, a coterie of ILLEGALS (and their enabling lawers) filed suit in the U.S. because the government cut off paying them giveaways. Think on that: a person illegally in a country can sue to receive taxpayer money. Call it what you want. I hold with Voltaire; "Ecrasez l'infame!"---"eradicate the vile thing."

 

[jkeller293]

The U.S. is entering a tertiary stage of politico-economical matters. The one where the proles find they can vote themselves funding from the public treasury and do so. The other day, a coterie of ILLEGALS (and their enabling lawers) filed suit in the U.S. because the government cut off paying them giveaways. Think on that: a person illegally in a country can sue to receive taxpayer money. Call it what you want. I hold with Voltaire; "Ecrasez l'infame!"---"eradicate the vile thing."

The root issue to this i believe to be the projected false images of government officials being elected. What I see is 2 sides of politics that play a role in building each other's images. As you will see most of politics is usually taking shots at each other rather than simply discussing policy. The "you did this, you did that." Say if a politican is running a campaign and the opposing party is attacking them — they can easily use that attack on them as fuel for their image.

 

[Xenophon]

The root issue to this i believe to be the projected false images of government officials being elected. What I see is 2 sides of politics that play a role in building each other's images. As you will see most of politics is usually taking shots at each other rather than simply discussing policy. The "you did this, you did that." Say if a politican is running a campaign and the opposing party is attacking them — they can easily use that attack on them as fuel for their image.

There's a French conspiracy theory that holds that all history since Charles Martel can be interpreted as the Merovingians to get back on the throne of France. I say where's a Merovingian? I'll coronate him in downtown D.C. and let's really drain the swamp.

Seriously there are thinkers out there who are giving monarchy a second look. The late Francis Parker Yockey, the present Brett Stevens...

 

[jkeller293]

There's a French conspiracy theory that holds that all history since Charles Martel can be interpreted as the Merovingians to get back on the throne of France. I say where's a Merovingian? I'll coronate him in downtown D.C. and let's really drain the swamp.

Seriously there are thinkers out there who are giving monarchy a second look. The late Francis Parker Yockey, the present Brett Stevens...

The only knowledge I have of the Merovingians were their involvement with the Knights Templar. Other than that I am ignorant of everything afterward up to now regarding the Merovingians.

 

[Xenophon]

The only knowledge I have of the Merovingians were their involvement with the Knights Templar. Other than that I am ignorant of everything afterward up to now regarding the Merovingians.

The ones I speak of were deposed by Charlemagne's family several centuries before the Templars. I hold no brief for the Merovingians. You could just as easily hunt me up a Hohenstaufen and I'd dust him off and assay him for kingly content. The important thing is that we stop assuming that political acumen is inborn with people the way that singing is a nightengale.

 

[silencewaits]

Seriously there are thinkers out there who are giving monarchy a second look.

I'm old-school. A leader who is honorable, fights well, is charismatic, and loves his people I shall always admire. The problems start when his bastard of a son thinks the glory of his father makes him more fit to rule. A culture has their own traditions, their own ways of handling problems. Common law. The only thing a leader is useful for is leading and preventing the rise of bad actors. If your people have food, shelter, healthcare, and are reasonably happy - what more could the majority of them want?

 

[jkeller293]

I'm old-school. A leader who is honorable, fights well, is charismatic, and loves his people I shall always admire. The problems start when his bastard of a son thinks the glory of his father makes him more fit to rule. A culture has their own traditions, their own ways of handling problems. Common law. The only thing a leader is useful for is leading and preventing the rise of bad actors. If your people have food, shelter, healthcare, and are reasonably happy - what more could the majority of them want?

The problem with this idea in modern times is that we cannot really see a leader that "fights well." All i see is a bunch of weak individuals who act tough behind their bodyguards which anyone can do. The biggest thing that would matter to me is integrity, but the problem with that today is being able to recognize true integrity vs fake projected integrity.

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The problem with this idea in modern times is that we cannot really see a leader that "fights well." All i see is a bunch of weak individuals who act tough behind their bodyguards which anyone can do. The biggest thing that would matter to me is integrity, but the problem with that today is being able to recognize true integrity vs fake projected integrity.

How i see it, if leader floods you with video content showing who he is — most likely that leader is full of shit.