Your ideal form of government?

[Xenophon]

The problem with this idea in modern times is that we cannot really see a leader that "fights well." All i see is a bunch of weak individuals who act tough behind their bodyguards which anyone can do. The biggest thing that would matter to me is integrity, but the problem with that today is being able to recognize true integrity vs fake projected integrity.

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How i see it, if leader floods you with video content showing who he is — most likely that leader is full of shit.

That is why being bombed back to the stone age might be a blessing. "Sustainable development" is taking there in slow motion and at the price of irreversable environmental degradation.

 

[frater_pan]

Real democracy is the best (think a perfect Netherlands or Sweden).

Short of that Sliders had an episode, season 2 episode 9, Obsession, where the actual power was held by a benevolent although not saintly master psychic who was apparently correct much more than half the time.

 

[Johny111]

For me, the ideal form of government is non-government. I advocate for the radical depopulation of human beings on the planet and the establishment of an enlightened meritocracy of a small number of spiritually advanced individuals. I know, it sounds a bit Illuminati, but since we're talking about ideal government, I can share what I think.

 

[Kepler]

As far as what's available on this planet, secular democracy Social Liberalism appears to offer the most freedom, health, safety and advancement for occult investigation and magical arts for the most people.

The Book of Codes(Liber 718) outwardly has a government system based on ranked magical advancement. Which, idealistically, could be cool, but maybe works better as hidden kings moving the spirits at those levels.

 

[Accipeveldare]

if you ran things what government would you set up?

As society has evolved we threw off the power of kings and rulers (so we say). yet in 2022 the governments we elect decide who we vote for, waste our taxes, etc...and we demonize dictatorships when our history of interfering in other countries is no better, I think we just paint America as the greatest place to live, I love America yet we shouldn’t sugar coat history. It reminds me of history in schools where we make our founding fathers out to be Saints when Lincoln had racist views and Washington could be a grade A asshole.

imo if I ran things I would be an absolute dictator, having said that, people should have the right to over throw their government when it becomes tyrannical.

the reason for my choice is that people don’t seem to have the capacity to use their ability to vote in a responsible way.

Fuck all the logistics. How about a government without corruption or greed?

 

[KevinLogan]

The one where I am the ruler

 

[UnlikelySith]

According to ancient Greek philosophers democracy is the worst form of government, i.e. "idiots elect idiots to represent them".

The ideal was to have a form of government where philosophers would rule and decide what´s best for the nation.

To me, a close one would be having someone like Elon Musk; enough brains, efficiency and care for progress and humanity (that´s right).

 

[Sabbatius]

According to ancient Greek philosophers democracy is the worst form of government, i.e. "idiots elect idiots to represent them".

The ideal was to have a form of government where philosophers would rule and decide what´s best for the nation.

To me, a close one would be having someone like Elon Musk; enough brains, efficiency and care for progress and humanity (that´s right).

The Greeks were the ones who instituted Democracy. Democracy is basically mob rule.
The system of Representative Government is Rome. Representative Government easily becomes corrupt.

Aristotle taught the concept of the Philosopher-King, an educated wise ruler. However, this can easily become a dictatorship, or even a warlord society.

The best option is to avoid politics altogether. I spent too much time worrying about things I had zero control over.

 

[Kepler]

According to ancient Greek philosophers democracy is the worst form of government, i.e. "idiots elect idiots to represent them".

The ideal was to have a form of government where philosophers would rule and decide what´s best for the nation.

To me, a close one would be having someone like Elon Musk; enough brains, efficiency and care for progress and humanity (that´s right).

Would these be the same philosophers who think they should be in charge? It's good to question motivations in cases like those. What seems like a good pitch may only be a con.

Regardless, both what you're suggesting and democracy require a high level of education to function properly. One in its leadership, the other in both leadership and citizens. While it takes investment for mass public secular education in Liberal Arts, democracy at least provides an option to get rid of the self-interested and install the most capable options into public service positions. Ideally where every citizen of a democratic secular nation is their own best philosopher king(high degree of Liberal Arts education) they would be able to tell which philosopher king among them would be best to represent them. This also requires a level of self awareness in everyone, meaning those without a strong Liberal Arts education understand their own ignorance, and act accordingly and don't act out from frustration when they don't understand and don't try to hold back civilization.

A lot can be revealed about a nation by looking at leadership in a metaphysical sense as representing the state of the national mind.

A statement like yours, representing a current American citizen, that abdicates responsibility to a foreign born (philosopher)king isn't the familiar representative liberty of the revolution, but a return to neofeudalism with servile devotional reverence of leadership.