[Opinion] Is creation a trap?

[Firetree]

I don't understand what is meant by creation being a 'trap' . To me , creation is an 'inevitable unfolding ' . . . on all three levels ( macro, human & micro ) .

 

[Sedim Haba]

It sorta

I don't understand what is meant by creation being a 'trap' . To me , creation is an 'inevitable unfolding ' . . . on all three levels ( macro, human & micro ) .

means this world is an illusion or mask, which to a certain extent I do think. But, it's the framework we must operate in, so what does that matter?

 

[Firetree]

I am familiar with the philosophical idea of material creation being 'an illusion' , but to me that does not automatically mean it is a 'trap' .

 

[zyfrtheFirst]

Well if it weren’t for creation, then we wouldn’t even exist to be TRAPPED, so i suppose it is besides the point.
If I create a machine, then the machine does now exist as an ENTITY (as opposed to a series of parts). The parts scattered were not conscious - free from structure, they were in a chaotic ONENESS with their surroundings. Only when ordered, did they become capable of being conscious of themselves.

Now say the machine resents its creation because it’s creator has trapped it at this level, with this form. Is this ethical?
The short answer is we have no choice. The creator was the one that put the parts together in the first place so they don’t even have to hear the question. He was the one that gave you the ability to complain in the first place , so how would you ask that question if he Had not made you that way in the first place?

The question is moot, IMO

 

[Firetree]

Except that ^ involves the whole 'creator thing' ( that might be the trap; assuming a creator ? ) - if it is an 'inevitable unfolding ' , no need for 'a creator' or a 'trap' .

 

[Ohana]

Well if it weren’t for creation, then we wouldn’t even exist to be TRAPPED, so i suppose it is besides the point.
If I create a machine, then the machine does now exist as an ENTITY (as opposed to a series of parts). The parts scattered were not conscious - free from structure, they were in a chaotic ONENESS with their surroundings. Only when ordered, did they become capable of being conscious of themselves.

Now say the machine resents its creation because it’s creator has trapped it at this level, with this form. Is this ethical?
The short answer is we have no choice. The creator was the one that put the parts together in the first place so they don’t even have to hear the question. He was the one that gave you the ability to complain in the first place , so how would you ask that question if he Had not made you that way in the first place?

The question is moot, IMO

I don't know if there is a creator but I want to complain. I want to complain for a very long time. Thats what I want to do personally.

 

[Firetree]

The Lord does have a ' complaints in ' trays .... but its one of those bottomless ones that sit over the waste paper bin .

 

[Sedim Haba]

I thought it was the shredder, meself...

 

[Firetree]

We could start a 'class action ' complaint thread here .

 

[Ohana]

Complaint number one existing complaint number two the story of the flood. Complaint number three every person that is left behind saying they can't be helped.

I don't like that mentality about people. People are complicated and sometimes if someone doesn't have the energy to help someone then fine to cut contact but to say I can't be helped because they couldn't help me.

I don't like that personally. It hurts to hear. And I have a lot of energy and I feel like I can help some people only if they want it though. But I've also been on the opposite end of it where people told me to leave people behind.

I guess I'll just be left behind with them. Thats just my choice. Thats just what I want to do because the minute someone said that I was put into that place so many times before that I might be next. So I just sped it up.

Thats my complaint list. Thank you for reading.

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Complaint number one existing complaint number two the story of the flood. Complaint number three every person that is left behind saying they can't be helped.

I don't like that mentality about people. People are complicated and sometimes if someone doesn't have the energy to help someone then fine to cut contact but to say I can't be helped because they couldn't help me.

I don't like that personally. It hurts to hear. And I have a lot of energy and I feel like I can help some people only if they want it though. But I've also been on the opposite end of it where people told me to leave people behind.

I guess I'll just be left behind with them. Thats just my choice. Thats just what I want to do because the minute someone said that I was put into that place so many times before that I might be next. So I just sped it up.

Thats my complaint list. Thank you for reading.

This all therotical though if a creator does exist. I just have bad personal expierences with some things. Pure emotion.

Apologies if this is too off topic. If anyone wants to add let me know and can make another thread