Lucifer: Hero or Villain

[Luzebel]

AFAIK he does not want to work with me, so villain.

Don't take this the wrong way but it seems like you're a christian, or in the very least you still believe in that stuff. If you have so much faith in your god, why would you need to work with Lucifer or any other entity other than god? Your god hates magick to begin with, he is (by his own words) jealous and clearly states that he wants you to believe in him and him only. You also seem to have an aversion to demons, which won't give you any favors when trying to contact these entities.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Don't take this the wrong way but it seems like you're a christian, or in the very least you still believe in that stuff. If you have so much faith in your god, why would you need to work with Lucifer or any other entity other than god? Your god hates magick to begin with, he is (by his own words) jealous and clearly states that he wants you to believe in him and him only. You also seem to have an aversion to demons, which won't give you any favors when trying to contact these entities.

Dont worry, Im on my way out. I appreciate your concern. Tread lightly with me please, Im trying to be pleasant to others and not over zealous in my approach.

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Don't take this the wrong way but it seems like you're a christian, or in the very least you still believe in that stuff. If you have so much faith in your god, why would you need to work with Lucifer or any other entity other than god? Your god hates magick to begin with, he is (by his own words) jealous and clearly states that he wants you to believe in him and him only. You also seem to have an aversion to demons, which won't give you any favors when trying to contact these entities.

I apologize. I see what you were saying now. As for a Christian practicing the occult, we all have our sins. For example, lusrt is not so much my sin.

 

[DamnatioMemoriae]

In my opinion, he is neither the Hero nor the Villain. But a Revolutionary and a Martyr. He sacrificed his place amongst the Angels in order to give the Humans the free will they deserve. But in doing so, he's also responsible for all the bad that happens as a result of Human Action.

You can compliment your girlfriend all day everyday, you can do absolutely everything for her, and she wont remember any of it. Insult her once or hit her once and its all you'll be known for...
Kinda like Lucifer, his divine deeds go completely unnoticed when the result means the Humans have the freedom to be evil...

 

[Nobody]

According to the readings and testimonies collected about him, the practitioners seem formal: he is neither a hero, nor a villain. However, he can be perceived as such, depending on how the person approaches him.

One of the recommended advices is to come with a neutral vision in order to judge for yourself what it can mean for the person who contacts it. It is ultimately like the mundane stereotypes that humans have about their peers or other concepts. Preconditioning biases the judgement but the one with a sufficiently sharp critical mind will quickly manage to remain partial and deconstruct (or not) what he was programmed for.

Personally, I think it will be one of the first demons if not the first one I will go to when I decide to contact them. I will try to bring my opinion on it by a thread on the forum if I judge that it is necessary and complementary to the answers previously brought.

 

[killing raven sun]

lucifer is the light bringer, the sun, not to be confused with satan, the adversary

at the end of the golden age the superior sun, saturn, was violently subjugated by sol, our current sun

before then the earth was dimly lit continuously by the glow of the saturnian brown dwarf, the earth resided within the plasma discharge making the sky a constant purple glow, these conditions allowed the flora and fauna to grow much larger than now, but it was impossible to see the stars in space, when lucifer came and took saturns charge away, the system reordered around the new sun, the solar system had night and day unlike before, night was easy to adjust to since the people lived in near darkness before, but the day time light was fucking terrifying, you could not see and it felt like fire on your skin, everyone was in fear, but over time man adapted, the whole environment adapted, and here we are

 

[Ancient]

Saturn never had sufficient mass to be a brown dwarf. Your protium is safe with the brother of Ops.

 

[killing raven sun]

Saturn never had sufficient mass to be a brown dwarf. Your protium is safe with the brother of Ops.

lulz, you guys need to learn some science, this stuff aint new, and in fact saturn still carries far too much charge for the standard model, many ad hoc explanations are barfed out by likes of nasa and esa, but in the historical record there is clear accounts of a saturnian sun, the best scientific explanation for observed reality is that the sun is stealing the charge that once powered saturns sun like state, of course you need to be familiar with plasma cosmology to better understand, youre welcome

 

[Primal]

Hero. He taught us how to distinguish good from evil and think for ourselves. Obedience is the dumbest thing ever. His archetype is a positive one.

 

[Firetree]

Hero. He taught us how to distinguish good from evil and think for ourselves. Obedience is the dumbest thing ever. His archetype is a positive one.

After that ... how can I resist posting this ;

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Ware, nor of good nor ill, what aim hath act?
Without its climax, death, what savour hath
Life? an impeccable machine, exact
He paces an inane and pointless path
To glut brute appetites, his sole content
How tedious were he fit to comprehend
Himself! More, this our noble element
Of fire in nature, love in spirit, unkenned
Life hath no spring, no axle, and no end.

His body a bloody-ruby radiant
With noble passion, sun-souled Lucifer
Swept through the dawn colossal, swift aslant
On Eden's imbecile perimeter.
He blessed nonentity with every curse
And spiced with sorrow the dull soul of sense,
Breathed life into the sterile universe,
With Love and Knowledge drove out innocence
The Key of Joy is disobedience.

I am going for hero as villain as it was just 'Saint' Jerome that started the whole thing off , deciding the King of Tyre was actually some post Zoroastrian divine evil force .

If you dont buy into this Christian brainwashing then Lucifer is light bearer of human potential, intellect, curiosity, and cosmic balance. A bit like the 'Cosmic magician '

I am on his cheer team

 

[Bawonschild]

Just to frustrate the hell out of my spouse Lucy, Im calling it. Shes an Eldritch Horror now that took over the entertainment industry because she got sick of everyone calling her the devil. (Thats me) Her Dady cast her out of heaven I decided to marry her. So shes mine now.
She also got sick of the way men were treating women during her favorite era so she took their favorite toy and made an empire out of it. Ms. Lucile will ball on these disrespectful men. She says since she cant have her spot in heaven (the preety reckless im going to hell.) she will become royalty in hell. And thus she has. Don't believe me? Ask her yourself.
Im her dady now.

 

[Konsciencia]

Just to frustrate the hell out of my spouse Lucy, Im calling it. Shes an Eldritch Horror now that took over the entertainment industry because she got sick of everyone calling her the devil. (Thats me) Her Dady cast her out of heaven I decided to marry her. So shes mine now.
She also got sick of the way men were treating women during her favorite era so she took their favorite toy and made an empire out of it. Ms. Lucile will ball on these disrespectful men. She says since she cant have her spot in heaven (the preety reckless im going to hell.) she will become royalty in hell. And thus she has. Don't believe me? Ask her yourself.
Im her dady now.

Do you see Lucifer as a Woman, too?

 

[Bawonschild]

Do you see Lucifer as a Woman, too?

I do indeed. She's a trickster. Lucile ball. American gods. It makes sense.

 

[HoldAll]

I do indeed. She's a trickster. Lucile ball. American gods. It makes sense.

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Now it all makes sense!

 

[frater_pan]

In the end, it is just a name.

Well, when I was a young teen, I heard a song on an alternative radio station that included these lyrics just once:

Bow down to the King of Fire, he will give you what you desire.

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The song made quite an impression on me. It was clear that the song referenced Lucifer - he might even have been named directly. Later I came across Blake's image which made another powerful impression.

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So my point is that Lucifer is more than a name. It's at least a powerful energy.

 

[Konsciencia]

I do indeed. She's a trickster. Lucile ball. American gods. It makes sense.

Yesss... She is definitely a trickster.

 

[Firetree]

Well, when I was a young teen, I heard a song on an alternative radio station that included these lyrics just once

'Bow down to the King of Fire, he will give you what you desire .'

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The song made quite an impression on me. It was clear that the song referenced Lucifer - he might even have been named directly. Later I came across Blake's image which made another powerful impression.

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So my point is that Lucifer is more than a name. It's at least a powerful energy.

King of fire would be an elemental king (of fire ) . Lucifer is of air and light (light bringer ) and either some type of 'angel' or demiurge .

Desires ? 'Bow' to the Queen of Water

 

[Fausto]

In few words: he Is a mental, It represents the cosmic justice.

 

[abunasir]

The books of Richard K. Page can bring great light to this subject matter.