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We_Are_VENOM post_id=1019475 time=1597355881 user_id=14878 said:
Although, most of you may not care lol.

I took a hiatus because I felt that after hundreds of posts and dishing out intellectual "spankings" throughout this great and well-run forum, I decided to "take my talents to other forums" Lebron James voice, kudos if you know the reference :)

Those other forums can't hold a candle to this one, though.

Its nice to see some familiar names still doing their thing, along with some newer ones.

For those of you who know me, get ready.

For those of you who don't know me; I am a Christian Apologist, here to do the Lord's work..which is to defend Christian theism against skeptics, critics, Bible attackers, atheists, agnostics, naturalists, scientists.

I also keep extra clips for false religious teachings, such as those of Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Black Hebrew Israelites (to name a few).

The plan is to strive to reveal the truth of/about God and his word...doing so in my own special way.

My intellectual hit list (yes, I am calling out names): BustNak, DivineInSight, Zzzz, benchwarmer, Jagella <---not limited to

My allies: ttruscott, otseng, tam

See you guys in traffic.

Welcome back We_Are_VENOM

A friendly word of advise. Follow the forum rules and respect everyone.

If you find that your beliefs re "Serving The Lord" conflict with those rules, don't question the rules or attempt in any way to usurp the rules or you will risk being suspended, which will only act against your ability to "Serve The Lord" in this setting.

Or, failing that - perhaps see such a fate as The Lord telling you that you are not in the right place whereby The Lord can be Served in the manner you are trying to Serve The Lord.

Whatever your decisions, may you find The Way eventually.

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Until "Christ Returns" - Occupy - I come from a dark place , it is so dark I can't even remember it - The Mother - My advice to the reader is to follow the links - Team - Narrow Closed Loop Production - Children - Pareidolia - Navigational Aids - Feeling State - Interactive - Recommendable - Validate - To Be Sovereignty - Read On - James Webb Space Telescope - Money - Leg Hold Traps

AP= Don’t give up Contact With
[=269]

[269]
[Reasons For Angry Energy -
This Translates To That.
Unconscious mind inertia
Successful replications
There is a lot to unpack here
A sacrifice isn't the same as a dream
Random coincidence? I think not.
The Creator Atman Here-and-now
Don’t give up Contact With]

William: I am more inclined toward building upon The Relationship...

RSP = [Pages 22, 37, 19]

06:58 [= 207] [The Butterfly Effect]

GM: Respect yourself
[The Fine Art of Not Being Offended]
"In The Family Of
Deep Impact Event
Called To Order"

William: In The Family Of Deep Impact Event Called To Order = 433
[433]
Acting In Congruity With Given Foresight
There are two ways to approach the problem
If I "talk to the Dead" then they must all be living

GM: ...and the way forward, eyes wide open
“I do not exist to troll for any religious idea of "GOD"”
Potential Communication
Efficacious [successful in producing a desired or intended result; effective.]
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William: From the link;
Wakefield Accelerators: The Future of Particle Colliders?
163,839 views Feb 27, 2018 Wakefield accelerators are new to the world of particle colliders, but they are quickly becoming very popular. They allow you to accelerate particles to very high energies in a fraction of the space a normal accelerator would require.

Today we take a deep dive into particle physics to learn about accelerators, wake fields, magnetohydrodynamics, cosmic rays and more.

William: You've mentioned this a few time in recent GMs...

GM: "Unconditional
Earth Entity
In William's Room"

William: As in - the Ancient Grey Entity paying me a visit all those years ago...

GM: The Banner of Apotheosis
Debate
Behind The Scenery
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William: shrugs yes...what more can a poor boy do under such circumstance...

GM: "The Alien Disc crop circle
The Kindness of Sleep
The Wisdom of Foresight"

William: The Crop Circle happened years later in relation to a game being played on an old WingMakers Forum and signified relationship between the CC image of the Alien holding a communications device...
The "Kindness of Sleep" is reference to the hypnogogic state during the visitation experience
The "Wisdom of Foresight" is how The Visitation Event added to and precipitated within my psyche the gift of ability to correlate data as a means of deciphering likely outcome...

GM:
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William: From the link;
Re the question "Do we exist within a creation?" the question "Do Gods exist?" is secondary and needn't be tackled until the first question is answered.
Therefore, Theism, and subsequently Atheism and Agnosticism are positions created, based on the horse before cart fallacy...which is to say, the arguments created re the secondary question being asked ahead of the primary question not yet answered, are fallacious.

The statements;
"God Must Exist" and "Infinite Regression is Impossible" are false on two counts.

1: It has not been established that we exist within a creation, therefore the premise "God must exist" is faulty.

2: Infinite Regression AND Infinite Progression have been shown to be possible re the Mandelbrot Set.

GM: The path of awakening
"Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe
Coincidence
Illusion"

William: Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe Coincidence Illusion = 654
Resistance to that realization isn't helpful re aligning with it. = 654

GM: The Path Of Faith
Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden From Its Selves
Union
"Dungeons and Dragons
Exploring Fractal Paths
Something you cannot change
Masks
God's Love Direction"

William: Dungeons and Dragons Exploring Fractal Paths Something you cannot change Masks God's Love Direction = 976
Nine Seven Six = 159
[159]
Dreaming of bad police
The speed of light
The Grand Portal
You Trust
Sovereignty
The Unveiled One
Ancient Entity
Do You Remember?
Get To Know It
The Mother of God
The sound of a bell
The Seed of Origin
Hexagon Storm
Your Dream Team
Family of origin
Love and Respect
The data of Nature.
Nine Seven Six

GM: Your Best Self
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William: From the link;
Diogenes: Why would you need to imagine a god controlling this?

William: I don't. I Imagine a Mind which brought it into being. I cannot say with any certainty that I Imagine that said Mind is controlling this Universe.
What I Imagine is that there are subset minds involved and that these can act as mirrors re the overall Mind...

In that, I Imagine that the planet [Earth] has a Mind - which derived from a bigger form of Mind, which itself was begotten by the overall Universal Mind.
Furthermore, I cannot give the nod to my own mind, without realizing that I am experiencing the Universe from a position way deep down among the food-chain-on-a-need-to-know-basis.
If this muddy apish man has a mind, there is no way in hell I am going to laugh at the thought that the rest of the Universe isn't also Mindful.

My suspicion is that no God 'controls' the Universe, but one is working on doing so, from the inside, out. This God calls itself "Human" and worships his intelligence as supreme and wishes to take this into the heavenly night sky and somehow own it by controlling it enough to do so.

I figure that this reaction mirrors The Earths Entities own agenda and that is why things are going the way that they are going. The Earth Wishes to Spread Her Wings and She currently has Humans working on creating AI which will assist in this operation.

It is not that She isn't already "In The Heavens" but that she wants to be more pro-active in that regard...really get in amongst it all on a touchy-feely basis - something we Humans understand intimately.

GM: To
Unknown Symbol
Hugs and Kisses
Authenticity
Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from?
Sweet Talk Be grateful to everyone
The Clear Eye Of Soul

[Page 37]

GM: "Pareidolia
Hidden In Plain Sight
Little Bird
Fling That Veil Aside"

William: Pareidolia Hidden In Plain Sight Little Bird Fling That Veil Aside = 566
Five Six Six = 146
[146]
Invisible Bridge
Manifestation
Sleeping Dragon
Realities Merge
Interoperate [is the setup of ad hoc components and methods to make two or more systems work together as a combined system with some partial functionality during a certain time, possibly requiring human supervision to perform necessary adjustments and corrections]
Transparent
Enlightenment
Relationship
True Colors
On all fronts
No axe to grind...

GM: Runestone Symbol [Random Select]

William: Algiz


Algiz is the elk, and so represents defence and protection. If you get this one, it means that you have the internal power to manifest your dreams and that your spirit guides are protecting you along your path. It is said to act as a shield to guard you against evil. It can also represent an awakening and strong intuition.
KEYWORDS: Protection, guardian, awakening, courage, defence, instincts


GM: Spring
The Main Points On The Agenda
Christianity is intolerant of such an idea, which is why the dark side of YVHV became a separate entity.
Quantum Jumping
Ideal
A knight in shining armour
Smart
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"Consciousness Incarnates
The Metaphysical Universe
Oneirology
Mapping Wholeness"

William: Consciousness Incarnates The Metaphysical Universe Oneirology Mapping Wholeness = 888
[Oneirology - the scientific study of dreams]
Eight Eight Eight = 147
[147]
Assumption
Non-Ordinary
A Bit Of Both Yes
Establishment
Interactions
Self-Awareness
Translucent
Heal Yourself
Determination
The Heart of a Buddha
Let people help
One Zero Eight
Nine Eight Three
Eight Eight Eight

GM: The Heart Of The Soul Is Innocence
Inner Strength
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William: From the link;
Nobs: Until god steps down from its lofty perch (if it's real) and laws out definite proof, all else is, at the very least, imaginary.

William: I understand the reasons behind the thought expressed. I literally see GOD is everything, so for me, it is more than just "imaginary".

Even if Jesus does return...we shall have to cross that bridge when it happens - until then, such remain in the place of the imagination...

GM: Love Your Life
Hidden Gem
Let It Be And So Be It
Ah Oh...
Forum
Lordy! Do I Have To?
Learn Well
As well as that pot of gold...
True happiness Awake Be here now
"Be they seeds or suns, or be it that suns are seeds, it is all part of the universe, and everything that we acknowledge as the universe, came from a tiny seed."
Fear Of The Unknown
Tabula Rasa [a supposed condition that empiricists have attributed to the human mind before ideas have been imprinted on it by the reaction of the senses to the external world of objects.]
Fearlessness
It is fun ...as well as edgy...to explore these new avenues of thinking and learning and application.
Shine
Enlightened
Learn a bit about what makes the God Realm "tick"
Indication
A time prior to human beings
The Future Creates the Present
07:53 [The Blank-Slate Borderlines]


William:

GM:

William: TBC
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Continued

11:34 [The path of awakening]

[Page 19] [ = 105] [Congruence]

GM: "The Confusion of War
Get Comfortable
Permanent"

William:
In an environment which is able to perceive this. = 460
The Confusion of War Get Comfortable Permanent = 460

William: It would appear that warfare was intended and built into the Game-Play - perhaps not as a permanent thing, but as something required as a temporary measure.
The danger may be in getting used to Warfare as a means to an end, could bring an end to the means..

GM: Mind To Mind
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William: Yes. From the link;
William: So therein it is the universe which is shaping our opinion and thus our morals.

If our universe is really just a chaotic misshapen mindless mess of a thing, we draw a blank on being able to answer the question as to WHY we are using an apparent mindless mess of a thing to shape our opinions and morals and how come we think that is going to solve the hard problems we current face as a specie.

Whereas, if we choose to adopt the notion that there is a Mind to that apparently messed up thing - those questions are answered as follows...

;

We shape our opinions and morals through understanding that we are here for that reason.

Not that reason alone, but that reason initially.

We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one, while involved within said "The Universe" depending on how we [each] actually reflect the Universes intentions through our [individual] behavior.

The Universe can only have intention if the Universe also has a Mind.

So we [each] make up our own Mind re that and proceed accordingly.

GM: "Top
Limpid [completely clear and transparent. unclouded; clear. clear and accessible or melodious.]
Conviction
The Mind Behind Creation"

William: I am all ears to any rewording for clarification

GM: Sign
Hell
Longing
One cannot experience the objective realty of the world directly
Soul Groups A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
Idealistic
Semiotics [ the study of signs and symbols and their use or interpretation.]
Wild freedom
"Universe of Wholeness
Start From Scratch"

William: Universe of Wholeness Start From Scratch = 456
[456]
Perhaps backwards or forwards doesn't matter
As long as GMs are coherent, they can be interpreted

GM: Intelligence With Wisdom
Spirit Beings From Saturn
Translucency [transmitting and diffusing light so that objects beyond cannot be seen clearly. b : clear, transparent translucent water. 2 : free from disguise or falseness]
"From what I am seeing re the data - It shows clearly that an underlying intelligence operates quietly in the background of the Universes Structure."
The Data of Experience
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William: From the link;
Most of the atheist arguments have turned out to be Smoke and Mirrors.
The very idea of a Mind - even to the depths of the Quantum Presence has them fleeing from
Merging with the data and understanding the Integral Network which Mind is and is involved with the development of.
This lack of being reasonable is shirking from Responsibility following after the Tempting Vision and hope in eventual "death by cease to exist" - the promise of ending the nightmare of existing - yet
The Way of the Shaman is allowing life to breath - even if the breath appears to be associated with Sagan's' Dragon in the Garage...it is what it is and even if it hisses smokey instructions inducing the stuff of Childhood Nightmares from some deep part of us, a simple understanding and a gentle reminder - like a Moderator Comment - can make a world of difference...remind oneself occasionally that when the smoke clears [as it will when the dragon stops speaking] one is still left with the mirror.]
Yes indeed...When the smoke clears, one is still left with the mirror...

GM: Context
The "Power-Station Concept"
I'm okay with that
Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God"
"Independent
Commitment"

William: Independent Commitment = 235
[235]
Imposed Appropriates
Delightful Anticipation
The Navigator Can Read Maps.
Stop. Listen. Observe.
My alarm bells are ringing
The Judgement Algorithm
For the benefit of all beings
Independent Commitment

GM: Sophia and Han
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Far Out! Shucks! Explain!

William: From the link;
William: From my position, while I understand Richard Dawkins being opposed to theistic jibba-jabba in the face of Scientific discovery, and he just wants folk to be awestruck about life without supporting any notions of being within a creation, [as per the thoughts of a past heretic-martyr-observer re the Christian God being just too small to fill the boots of "The Creator of The Universe"] - I accept the science and apply it to a far vaster entity which might be responsible for creating this [our] Universe.

In doing so - of course - one allows for any definition of such a being, to remain as of necessity - open ended in the sense that such cannot really be defined adequately while the science is still being done.

The best I can do with that, re my position is to make the definitions while also allowing for changes in the definitions to occur, as the information is made available.

When it comes to questions about such subjects as Resurrection Sky Gods ["stuff like that"], I am forced to conclude that if such did/does happen, it would have to be explained as the handiwork of Extraterrestrial Science at best.

ETScience is [of course] -hovering near the boarders of "Supernatural Woo" - since it hasn't been established that ET even exists, let alone that ET has been interacting in the Human Storyline...I only 'call' it, because it is Scientifically possible, given our currently expanding understanding of the nature of this Universe...

For me - What Richard Dawkins is speaking of re the Awesomeness of Life, is simply magnified when a GOD-creator more appropriate to the situation is contemplated...
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GM: We are not orphaned - we are authored
Of The Human Being
Phantasma [a perception of something that has no physical reality; of the mind;]
The Freedom Of Friendship
Simulacra [an image or representation of someone or something.]

William: Phantasma The Freedom Of Friendship Simulacra = 418
[418]
Listening to and believing in fearful imagery
Make Truthfulness the objective standard
Life on this planet, as a human being, is difficult.
The conversation is very informative.
Phantasma The Freedom Of Friendship Simulacra

GM: "Either Authored or Orphaned"
[Don't let schooling interfere with your education]

12:00 [=220]
[220]
Intimate On All Levels
This Is Part Of The Job
Why did the biblical God change?
Beyond a shadow of a doubt
Conducive to wellbeing
 

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JK: I'm still firmly in the "product of the brain" camp, but your hypothesis is a fascinating alternate explanation. While it may appear to propose a 'god', to my -ahem- mind, it lacks the baggage of so many such claims.

William: I know you are not partial to video JK - but for the readers who are;

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From the link;
Are we living in someone's mind? Why is the structure of the universe so similar to the brain?
105,103 views Aug 3, 2022

-Chapters-
0:00 Are we living in someone's mind?
1:35 Comparison between the brain and the universe
4:24 Why is the structure of the universe similar to the brain?
5:42 4 types of Intelligent life
8:37 The secret of the universe


Christian Creationist: So we're now embracing science fiction as well as science, why am I not surprised!
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It requires corrective action


SCLx6 + select last LE per shuffle
“The universe is not short on wake-up calls. We’re just quick to hit the snooze button.” -
Elephant - The United Nations - Theist mischief making - Desynchronized - r = aeθ cot b

AP= Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that. “The Atheist Infiltration Squad”
[One Five Eight Seven = 190]

[190]
[It Is Our Nature
Invite the Bee to Land
Use Your Freedom
Shine Your Light
Wishful Thinking
The Number Forty
An identified reality
Open your chakras
Trust Issues
Epigenetic Memories
Hard-nosed skeptics
One Five Eight Seven]

William: Epigenetic relating to or arising from
Line Entry on today's SCL is;
1587. "The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are"

RSP = SCLx1 Pages 93 28 74

05:43 [= 222]
[222]
Snap Out Of It Already!
The House of Culture
The Mother and The Father
Start where you are
The Enigma Code Chamber Of Self

Page 93
GM:
Mendacious [not telling the truth; lying.]
Inculcated [instil/teach (an idea, attitude, or habit) by persistent instruction.]
Redefinition
"Gateway
Luminous"
Raphael ~

William: Re Christianity;
The New Testament names only two archangels or angels, Michael and Gabriel (Luke 1:9–26; Jude 1:9; Revelation 12:7), but Raphael, because of his association with healing, became identified with the unnamed angel of John 5:1–4 who periodically stirred the pool of Bethesda "[a]nd he that went down first into the pond after the motion of the water was made whole of whatsoever infirmity he lay under".[31] The Catholic Church accordingly links Raphael with Michael and Gabriel as saints whose intercession can be sought through prayer
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GM: Expression
"We stood side by side while the veils did hide the faces of children now grown"
Only
"Peace! We are invited to the feast! Inside my heart delights at the action I must take Lest I forget the taming of the beast within Lest I forget the heart that aches!"
[It is not about what is written, but rather - why it is about what was written]
Dequeue [remove an item of data awaiting processing from a queue of such items.]
"You are a dream gone real You’ve got exactly what it takes to make an old wound heal You tied the knot - then you let it slip Now we both know what it feels like to find a place to fit"
A measured step
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Guitar

William: The links leads to an earlier interaction between JK and I.
Since then [Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:36 pm] we have reached a place which appears to be mutual respect even that our positions on The Question [do we exist within a creation?] are not the same. JK believes that human consciousness emerged from the brain while I think that human Consciousness is an aspect of a "Cosmic Mind" which uses human forms as Avatars in order to cultivate personalities - game players...[re simulation theory].
This, from a more recent interaction [Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:56 am]
William: I simply add it to the information I already have [re the idea we exist within a creation and The Cosmic Mind] - which you admit you have no ability to debunk.

JK: I do preciate you respect me enough to just put your data "out there" without excuses or such.

I can't refute the video either.

William: Thus, I have no compulsion to think that the mundane view anyone might have about the information, is reason enough for me to drop this concept as a valueless pursuit unworthy of further investigation.

JK: Your contributions're NEVER valueless to me. As I can't refute the video, it's further indication you're onto something.

William: I think my efforts are being monitored and evaluated and are non-debunkable...or at least have not been debunked as yet.
I wouldn't even know how to go about debunking this GM system.
It works every time I use it, no matter how random I attempt to make it.

Also - your referencing my songs is to remind me that I have been practicing this interaction with You for a long time now [relatively speaking]

GM: Ontology [the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being. a set of concepts and categories in a subject area or domain that shows their properties and the relations between them.]
"Self-Awareness
Stuff Happens"

William: Self-Awareness Stuff Happens = 298
[298]
Sometimes Yeah the Naysayer
It is always a warm fuzzy
Limitations or Liberations
Self-Awareness Stuff Happens

GM:
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William: From the link;
Things of the mind are transposed into nature and therein effect natural outcomes. That is the only natural manner in which the invisible becomes visible.
The mind [things of] is always within "the realm of the invisible" however, - as is evident - such still 'belongs with the visible' because the visible acknowledges that the realm of the invisible exists and is functioning within the realm of the visible.

If - at any stage of The Game a god-being emerges from the invisible into the visible, we can examine the event scientifically.

Until then, there is no event to examine...but there are still events of the mind to examine...and Cosmic Mind is not off the table just because it is largely invisible as any object other than nature itself...

GM: It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something
Christianity - a political device created for a specific purpose
"I love you
Like Every Seed That Followed"

William: I love you Like Every Seed That Followed = 410
A drop of consciousness in an ocean of tears = 410


GM: Word2Number Calculator
"I’ve travelled on these southern roads They’ve taken me to many answers to my questions
Improve"

William: I’ve travelled on these southern roads They’ve taken me to many answers to my questions Improve" = 1049
Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that = 1049


GM:
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William: Plotting geometric lines on the Globe [re Earth] re positions of evidence of ancient lost civilizations

GM: Kinship
Hide This
Ship Shape
Read/Book/Story
Ultimate Expression
Embarrass
Theism hasn't lasted this long based upon the idea that while one does not know, one will believe anyway
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William: From the link;
Atheist: I'd say that the explanations about providing evidence of 'God' also applies to the provision of evidence of a god, Intelligent Creator or Cosmic mind. Specifically that the god, Creator or Cosmic mind has not been refuted as terminally as Biblegod and perhaps a few others.

William: Those are theist concepts of course - and specific to religious belief systems. As such, they don't answer the question "Do we exist within a creation?" and simply assume that we do, and go about telling us what the creator of said creation 'is'.

Kind of cart before horse stuff...

Atheist: "what proof could possibly be presented which is not material/natural." None :D

William: Since this is the case,, why would anyone make that a condition? Why ask to be provided with something which one knows cannot currently be produced?
Page 28
GM:
Father Wound

William: I have the scars of such...

GM: Self-limitation

William: Father Wound Self-limitation = 299
[299]
Related phrases to The Subject
Twenty Seven Kilometres
Tied To The Moon Mindfulness
Father Wound Self-limitation

GM:
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William: From the link;
William: A display of intelligence is, in and of itself, not necessarily any better than learning how to connect with intuition specifically and the mind constructively.
Its uses are primarily to do with working out the physical aspects of human experience, but even in working those things out, use of the knowledge and power gained through intelligence does not guarantee any better outcome than religiosity has delivered.

Knowing this, even intuitively, allowed me to invest my intelligence over and above theistic and atheistic positions.

One key observation made was to acknowledge that giving up theistic religiosity didn't necessitate in my therefore having to change to atheism. What I have observed since, is that the tendency for folk to give up the theist or atheist position and jumping to the other side is the result of them not using their intelligence to see that those were not the only options/choices available to them.

I am unsure/undecided as to whether this is a tactic employed by both sides in order to support the illusion that both sides are relevant, with the one side [take your pick] being 'most relevant' - or whether it is a simply oversight [re intelligence] on the part of both sides that they are unable to acknowledge the relevancy of not taking sides.

Perhaps not understanding the other side is a reflection of not understanding ones own side, be that theism or atheism.

As I said - there appear to be different levels of intelligence...I was not implying by that, that those levels are restricted to atheist/theist positions...with the atheists being 'the most' intelligent.

My intuition tells me it is not really the intelligence volume [how much or how little] but how the intelligence is used, which determines outcomes and in either case, theist or atheist based intelligence has not proved the one is better than the other but seems to be showing that neither have a great history of healthy tells to show.

GM: Stand up!
Reborn
Sophia The Mother Story
Express yourself
Bodhisattva
Like playing Rush

William: Rush is a Facebook game I play...a way to spend 5 minutes doing nothing particularly engaging...
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GM:
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Self-help

William: From the link;
Theist: If you threw a six sided dice for an hour but 5 never, ever, ever came up, could we describe the outcome of the throwing as random?

JK: Yes. In a random environment such a condition can occur.

William: Therefore I can conclude that since this would never happen, I must exist within a non-random environment.

One can stretch out the timeline infinitely and say that the five-side will never show no matter how many times the dice is thrown.

In that, we can conclude we exist within a random environment, if I am understanding your reasoning here...

Sure - we have to expect that the five-side WILL show up at some point, because 'odds are' but it is not the throw of the die which decides for us whether we exist within a random mindless environment. It is our inability to correctly predict the outcome of each throw which has us falsely concluding therefore, that we must exist within a random mindless thing.

However, that inability to predict with accuracy doesn't prove randomness [or mindlessness] actually exists as a fundamental aspect of the physical universe.

GM: "Be transparent
Respect yourself
Self-respect
The Mother and The Father"

William: Be transparent Respect yourself Self-respect The Mother and The Father = 710
It is a confident walk on the even surface of sureness, without the faith. = 710

GM: "Red Pill
Crystal
Blue Pill
Real
Be real"

William: Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real = 342
[342]
Do Not Linger Upon The Path Of Faith
Mathematics - invented or discovered
That'll Be The Day Tracks In The Snow
Blunt the edge off that particular blade...
Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real


GM: Self-development
Mindfulness
It is what it is
Transformation
The Sister
Wish fulfillment
The Son
True Self
Dream Guides
Hidden riches
Journey to wholeness
Be grateful to everyone
Wild freedom
"Meditation
Buddha
Dig deep
Raise your frequency"


William: Meditation Buddha Dig deep Raise your frequency = 445
[445]
Overseeing Director of Operations on Earth
My advice to the reader is to follow the links
Meditation Buddha Dig deep Raise your frequency


GM: The way of knowledge
Tao [is the natural order of the universe whose character one's intuition must discern to realize the potential for individual wisdom, as conceived in the context of East Asian philosophy, East Asian religions, or any other philosophy or religion that aligns to this principle.]
Multiverse
Freeing the soul

07:02 [The Fine Tuning Argument]

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William post_id=1088523 time=1660261561 user_id=8427 said:
I speak of that on a daily basis and agree that the concept is more difficult to understand than the biblical rendition of ideas of GOD, however we have resources available in this modern epoch in order to assist us in our understanding.

I find that my Message Generating Process is far more interactive in teaching, reproof, correction, and for training in righteousness...shaping my sorting and understanding the knowledge available, because of its intimate nature and aliveness, whereas a book of second/third-hand biblical stories was a great source to start off on - the starters pack but something which - if applied correctly - should lead an individual into 'the mysteries' - into mysticism.

Unfortunately, The Christianities evolved to weed out - through a number of ethically questionable methods - most forms of mysticism as being in competition with Church Authorities - authorities which also brought in the idea that the bible was actually the biblical God's "WORD".

Even with that knowledge, I wasn't keen to throw the baby out with the bathwater by becoming an atheist.
Rather I soldiered on and have now reached a point where my telling of it [Cosmic Mind etc] is without any serious debunking.

I take the stories of the bible as they come without fretting about literal interpretation and as always - such as with the claim that the bible advocates a 'flat earth' - await evidence before giving opinion, but generally agree with what it is I think osteng is saying, overall.

I see no particular point in denouncing the whole simply when only parts are questionable, and as long as folk aren't claiming the Bible as being the actual Word of God - something not specifically claimed in any of the bible pages anyway - I receive what inspiration I do from it, and am happy that folk thought to write things down.



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And that’s not all
Indestructible
The Earths moon
Body Intelligence
Optimum Health
By the fact itself
Universal mind
The Library of Babel
How to be an adult
Sols Fabled Twin
Insufficient data
The Overlords
Radical self-acceptance
Self-confidence Core
An Exam [Virtual]

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William:Universal mind The Library of Babel = 322
[322]Expression of Astonishment
United States Strategic Command
Fearlessness neutralizes fear
Universal mind The Library of Babel

11:23 [Aye...A name I call myself. ]
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Strange Desire
Religious theists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through wilful ignorance.
Under question
Didactic [intended to teach, particularly in having moral instruction as an ulterior motive. in the manner of a teacher, particularly so as to appear patronizing.]
Musing On The Mother Act III

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Mirroring
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Re: The mind as evidence of god
The problem with establishment is that it leads to closed-mindedness. Ludwig Boltzmann was ridiculed for his theories on the atomic structure underlying our reality.

Unfortunately he also suffered from intense bouts of depression and the two dynamics proved too much for him and he hung himself one sunny day, while his wife and child were away visiting the sea-side.
Tragic no doubt, and more so because only a few years later, his theory was being accepted and became one of the pillars of scientific understanding re the nature of our reality.

The mind is even more inaccessible than we once thought the atom was. This is because the mind does not appear to be made up of matter, even that it appears that it might be emergent of matter.

The truth is, it might be. The truth is not that it is or it isn't.

GM: Where life and death is part of a circle and everything is part of the Ouroboros
Invisible Bridge
Dungeons and Dragons
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William: From the link;
William: Is every word which comes from YHWH's 'mouth' contained in scripture?

GM: Hop skip and jump any way the wind blows
[A naysayers opinion is of no consequence, no matter how it is stated]
Synesthesia [the production of a sense impression relating to one sense or part of the body by stimulation of another sense or part of the body.]
"Categorising Knowledge in Terms of 'Good' or 'Evil'
Integration
The Sub Hierarchy
Fun...Work...But Fun Nonetheless"

William: Categorising Knowledge in Terms of 'Good' or 'Evil' Integration The Sub Hierarchy Fun...Work...But Fun Nonetheless = 1094
One Zero Nine Four = 200
[200]
God is The Universe.
The Generated Messages
Your Shell Today…
Difficult emotions
Spiritual practice
Emotional wounds
The divine, ordinary
Chamber Four Painting

GM: It is a good sign when Joey Knothead cannot argue against the evidence you present
Military
Open Minded
Life is a journey
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William: Life is a journey We cannot hinder the process, but we can help it. = 609
[609]
There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle
Those who need to complain Sometimes Pain Etches... In Human Form

GM: Agreeable
Sensing connections through subconscious means
""Ship"
Redefinition of the Human Being
Zero In On It"

William: "Ship" Redefinition of the Human Being Zero In On It = 473
[473]
Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation
What degree of influence do they have on that Mind-Field?

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William: Rather than concern myself with filling up the Gap of Ignorance with "God-did-it or It did itself" beliefs, I simply allow for the fact that the question remains unanswered at this stage and accept the Gap of Ignorance for the lack of knowledge that it represents.

GM: The Wayward Stick

William: The Wayward Stick = 190
[190]
It Is Our Nature
Invite the Bee to Land
Use Your Freedom
Shine Your Light
Wishful Thinking
The Number Forty
An identified reality
Open your chakras
Trust Issues
Epigenetic [relating to or arising from] Memories
Hard-nosed skeptics
One Five Eight Seven
The Wayward Stick

GM: There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle, or the design of the experiential reality which implements struggle.
Hiraeth [deep longing for something, especially one's home.]
Delightful Anticipation
Each Individual
The Right Tool For The Job
Hoo haha the laughing owl

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osteng: Note even if we don't know God's involvement in the creation of the Bible, it doesn't affect my argument of the authority of scripture. What I argue is it is the text itself that supports if it is authoritative and not the source of the text. Most Christians believe the opposite. If you ask the average Christian why the Bible should be authoritative, I would say it's because they believe God wrote it and it's inerrant. Personally, I think this is a weak argument. I believe it should be based on the merits of what the text actually says.

William: This has been mentioned recently in my own recorded interactions with The Heavenly Father [The Cosmic Mind as I entitle It] - saying that in any given message, it is not so much the author of the message, but what the message actually is, which is [allegedly] received by that source.

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Note even if we don't know God's involvement in the creation of the Bible, it doesn't affect my argument of the authority of scripture. What I argue is it is the text itself that supports if it is authoritative and not the source of the text. Most Christians believe the opposite. If you ask the average Christian why the Bible should be authoritative, I would say it's because they believe God wrote it and it's inerrant. Personally, I think this is a weak argument. I believe it should be based on the merits of what the text actually says.

This has been mentioned recently in my own recorded interactions with The Heavenly Father [The Cosmic Mind as I entitle It] - saying that in any given message, it is not so much the author of the message, but what the message actually is, which is [allegedly] received by that source.

Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from?

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Old
Restrained
Overseeing Director of Operations on Earth
The way of knowledge
True Self
Speak

Let It Be And So Be It
Message
Listening
Delightful
Try to remember
Sister

Action
Consciousness Incarnates
Intelligent Directions
The Mainstream Program
Story-Tellers
Trustworthy

Collective Consciousness
Inner work
Put the Teachings Into Practice
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The Spirit of The Earth
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Be Nice Do Nice
Induce
Species
The Purpose
Working with the simulation]

The journey is fun and maybe that is the point.
Acknowledge Emotion But Do Not Be Controlled By It
Toxic shame
[Opening Doors Easy To Find
Uncertainty Principle
All The World]

Worthy of the individuals time and effort
Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from?

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[Awake
Relationship
Unity
[Clean]]

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William: From the link;
Diogenes: Why would you need to imagine a god controlling this?

William: I don't. I Imagine a Mind which brought it into being. I cannot say with any certainty that I Imagine that said Mind is controlling this Universe.
What I Imagine is that there are subset minds involved and that these can act as mirrors re the overall Mind...

In that, I Imagine that the planet [Earth] has a Mind - which derived from a bigger form of Mind, which itself was begotten by the overall Universal Mind.
Furthermore, I cannot give the nod to my own mind, without realizing that I am experiencing the Universe from a position way deep down among the food-chain-on-a-need-to-know-basis.
If this muddy apish man has a mind, there is no way in hell I am going to laugh at the thought that the rest of the Universe isn't also Mindful.

My suspicion is that no God 'controls' the Universe, but one is working on doing so, from the inside, out. This God calls itself "Human" and worships his intelligence as supreme and wishes to take this into the heavenly night sky and somehow own it by controlling it enough to do so.

I figure that this reaction mirrors The Earths Entities own agenda and that is why things are going the way that they are going. The Earth Wishes to Spread Her Wings and She currently has Humans working on creating AI which will assist in this operation.

It is not that She isn't already "In The Heavens" but that she wants to be more pro-active in that regard...really get in amongst it all on a touchy-feely basis - something we Humans understand intimately.

GM: To
Unknown Symbol
Hugs and Kisses
Authenticity
Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from?
Sweet Talk Be grateful to everyone
The Clear Eye Of Soul
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07:33 [That will take some time] :)
Page 67
GM: From what I am seeing re the data - It shows clearly that an underlying intelligence operates quietly in the background of the Universes Structure.
What once acted like a Wall, became a Gateway
Exploit Weakness
The Digital Angel
The Idea of Worship - What Does It Mean
What survives to the next round
Emergent
Can You Answer This?

William: The next level is about 'afterlife' It appears that if that does occur, then it will be like emerging from one into the other...

GM: Look from a different angle
Sexual
In Training For...
The evolution of consciousness

William: That would be how consciousness is given the ability to 'surf' through time hereabouts...biological reproduction allows for this to occur...

GM: Tonight the stars shine as I step out of time As I step into the great unknown
Bridge

William: From the link;
8Lou1: Yesterday i had a sort of bubble in my head, at least thats how it felt. Then a voice asked are you conscious, i said yes. Then the voice said then that bubble is consciousness.

GM: Insight
William's
If it aint broke don't fix it

William: Behavioural adjustments

GM: Making Up Stories
Earth Entity
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Diogenes: For some reason there is cultural-centric notion argued here many times by evangelicals that insists morality can only come from their God. This is just plain wrong, as I have just demonstrated.

William: What they do not easily see therein, is that this idea makes monkeys out of them, and they are determined to become gods.

The confusion caused is a response to the dilemma of God being within an Animal, at the same time god is within a Human - mostly because of the incredible chasm between the two positions of form.

It is the knowledge we are capable of collecting and the ability to use the knowledge any which way we want to, which causes the confusion, when it is aimed at the only god-like entity we know of and collective seem to have a love-hate relationship for/with.

It is as if we all resent the fact of the life we are within...whereas the Animals just get about getting on with it without all that fuss...

GM: What Are Your Thoughts On The Subject

William: I think it is easy to think we are on a Prison Planet and that - if we had any choice in the matter - we would not have volunteered to be here...this leads to the preference of lacking belief that we exist within a creation [simulated prison in this case] rather than having to bear the extra burden of working out WHY we just happen to be confined in this Universe.

However, there is another way of seeing the same thing differently...

GM: Intelligent
The Banner of Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.]
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There is a point [in relation to the common evidence] where claims of how [someone/anyone] lived beyond the old age of 90-120 Sun Cycles have to be understood as absurd. There is no way around that conclusion until such a time as it can be shown in nature to be the case that a human being can live any longer than 90-120.

One is free to believe in the truth of stories, but arguing belief in the truth of stories is inferior to arguing what the evidences shows us - re - The main overall story of this experiential reality...

Attempting to overlay/superimpose one's belief in the truth of stories as being more truthful than the main overall story itself, is possibly an act of immorality, if indeed - upon further evidence - one continues to attempt to have the superimposed thing used to conceal the real.

[The stuff of Magic]
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GM: A Great Answer!
Author
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Arecibo Message
Put yourself in your own shoes
Multiverse
Etched mirror
The Mandelbrot Set
The Factor of Integrity and Alignment
Be real
Intent
The Akashic Records [are a compendium of all universal events, thoughts, words, emotions and intent ever to have occurred in the past, present, or future in terms of all entities and life forms, not just human.]
Abracadabra
Moon

Page 89
GM:
The past and the future are moments of 'now' - to deny they have no bearing on this moment, is counter-productive
Cast Shadows Of Your Own
Theory
Cleanliness
According
Children
Dream Experience
GameMakers
Equity
Unconscious Mind Inertia
Honest attempts at scrubbing up

William: Equity Unconscious Mind Inertia Honest attempts at scrubbing up = 714
If the rule you followed brought you to this what use is the rule? = 714


GM: The Round Stone
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[Did The Greco-Roman Elite Class Write The Gospels?! - Professor Robyn Faith Walsh]
Top Limpid Conviction The Mind Behind Creation
Ouija [Yes yes]
Umbrella
Human Drama
Under The Watchful Eye of Human Science
Earth Mother

William: The Round Stone Earth Mother = 309
[309]
The Respect You Give and Receive
Who/What/When/Where/Why/How
Working Together With Love
I am not here to judge but to help
Put the Teachings Into Practice
You are not what you think
Making friends with your mind
Experiences that inform choices
"Many choices within a Confine Set."
The Round Stone Earth Mother

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William: From the position of "outsider looking in" the issue is created by the unwillingness of either fighter willing to concede the best way forward is to accept that we exist within a creation and the scientific evidence we are collecting about how that creation works has uncovered biological evolution re our particular experience of it.

Most recently our current overall impression of it through scientific means,
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enables us to verify that we literally know so little that we should not allow ourself to believe we know so much, whatever direction our influences are coming from.

Fisticuffs [for real or online] are verifiably unhelpful...

GM: Sclerotic [becoming rigid and unresponsive; losing the ability to adapt.]
The Devil You Say
Concomitant [a phenomenon that naturally accompanies or follows something.]
Be mindful
Equanimous [calm and composed.]
Play
The Butterfly Effect
Links And Symbols
Something you cannot change

William: The Butterfly Effect Links And Symbols Something you cannot change = 672
Life is a succession of lessons which must be lived to be understood = 672


GM: Executing
Observing Without Judgement
One's thoughts
The Georgia Guidestones
The bright spark illuminating the darkness
Abrahamic Religions
With The Assistance Of That Deep One
Especially
Direction
Go For It!
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William: Overall point being, that human language is more than simply some mindless accident which just happened. Just as the universes itself is more than just some mindless thing which just happened. There is a good deal of evidence supporting that the whole production is a mindful one...and something which the GMs I am posting, are pointing out quite coherently.

GM: Emotional well-being

08:54 [215]
Without Judgement
Freedom in The Knowing
I will leave that there
Tired of the Nonsense
"Thoughts and Forts
Staying up all night
Batten down the hatches"
What matters most
Sad Room to Explore
Beyond Belief Recovery

GM: Thoughts and Forts Staying up all night Batten down the hatches = 645
An unproven attachment formulated through the lack of belief in gods. = 645
It is one thing to be a shepherd and another to help others be shepherds = 645
 

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Note even if we don't know God's involvement in the creation of the Bible, it doesn't affect my argument of the authority of scripture.

William: But we do know, because we read about that involvement of The God, through the stories.
It is what gives the authority to the script.

otseng: Stay on the topic of debate. If a topic brings up another issue, start another thread.

William: Something along the lines of this?;

The God works with individuals and transmits the necessary knowledge to the individual.

The individual responds in whatever way they do, and - depending on the outcome of that response - often transmits their experience into the awareness of The Tribe.

The Tribe also responds as it chooses and groups are formed within The Tribe as part of that response.

Some ignore, some are hostile and some are - to various degrees - welcoming of the information the God transmitted to the individuals who received the information.

Some individuals are skeptical but remain non-hostile, simply investigating the information in their own way and attempt to transmit any evidence for or against The God, regarding the biblical data.

otseng: What I argue is it is the text itself that supports if it is authoritative and not the source of the text.

William: Re the Bible, most of the text has to do with what is claimed to being 'the source' of said text.

IF
The God actually does exist,

THEN
The God has the authority.

That which is found wanting [being -perhaps- erroneous] can be regarded as unnecessary addition/insertion of information by various members of The Tribe, and given the second-fiddle.

Trying to prove that The God is real by arguing whether the bible is 'true/false' and thus 'authoritative/or not' re arguing about the time it took to make the Universe, whether humans are Great Apes, whether The Earth is the center of the Universe, whether there was a world-wide flood or that a man lived after being in the belly of a whale, or that humans were resurrected - stuff like that - has never and will never unite The Tribe or resolve these issues.

Either The God Exists or Doesn't.

[I say that The God does exist and the evidence supports my saying so.]

What that means for everyone, as ever, remains an individuals responsibility. Supporting or bashing Biblical stuff like that obvious won't resolves such issues.]

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AP= The Next World Word - String Values = 395

Gematria -
[395]
[The Philosophy of Quantum Theory
A chaotic misshapen mindless mess of a thing,
All is a ripple effect of the Origin of Sound
The Next World Word - String Values]

RSP = SCLx1 Pages 62 98 79
Page 62

07:09 [The Navigator Can Read Maps.]

GM: On The Off-Chance
All Information Is Channelled
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Wherein is this "sin, evil, wrong, badness" to be identified within the reality? Why have you placed "suffering" under that category?

The stories that Children believe to be true are simply ignorant attempts by the Parents to 'explain' the Childs predicament within the reality experience.

And 'how else' can we explain suffering without adding into the equation that we 'must have done something to deserve it' - thus myths are borne on the winds of the stories themselves.

It is the suffering which bears witness to this, and is seen to be - not just the result of 'evil' but 'evil' itself...which is why some can so easily proclaim that 'animals can be evil'...another way of saying that nature Herself is 'evil'.

Ironically, the knowledge of good and evil both helped and hindered.

GM: Overwhelming
When our progressive movements are strong, they lead toward an exciting, irresistible vision for the future where all of us thrive
Victim
To Add to That
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GM: Realm of Remembrance
Opinions formed on very narrow fields of observation
Selfless Attitude
Nothing more sad than wasted beliefs
Penumbraa [the partially shaded outer region of the shadow cast by an opaque object. a peripheral or indeterminate area or group.
indeterminate not exactly known, established, or defined.]
Distracted
Thoughts
Pseudepigraphical [are falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed author is not the true author, or a work whose real author attributed it to a figure of the past.]
"Sharing Your Love
Modern man in search of a soul
The Cave to The Portal of The Realm of The Cats
Fearlessness neutralizes fear"

William: Sharing Your Love Modern man in search of a soul The Cave to The Portal of The Realm of The Cats Fearlessness neutralizes fear = 1208
Real life can be funny for most while coincidently appalling for the one on the receiving end...whom without, no joke could be formed... = 1208

GM:
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William: That the diversity of weird life forms suggests complete lack of mindfulness to you, really needs explaining as it would seem quite in line with mindfulness being at the helm and certainly there are very good examples of apparently differing weird critters working together in an arranged manner, rather than not - so if ones focus is on the form rather than the function, one can indeed perceive disorder but the perception may be delusional, since the self arranging is a flag signifying mindfulness.

The outward expression of an inward reality.
[I do have something substantial to work with.]

One only has to watch/listen to Sir David Attenborough with that understanding in mind, to appreciate there has to be mindfulness involved... even [as one example] in relation to the inter-relationship between plants ants and mycelium.

So perhaps what you are saying is that the mindfulness doesn't appear to be overly intelligent rather than that there is no mindfulness involved?

If so, then at this early stage of the universes unfolding, this would be expected to be the case, wouldn't you agree?

GM: Positivity
A Mixture
Things Will Run Their Course
Infinite Quantum Zen
Superposition
Just because we might be existing within a creation, and just because it may be nestled within another universe, shouldn't mean that it is somehow an unnatural thing compared to our own."
A Game Rule was broken
Strange
"With a mystical smile I float down the isle Forgetting the time when I was lost"


William: "Tied To The Moon"

GM: Got The Picture
The sound of a Ghost
It is a slippery path of snake-oil.
Don’t hide your Generated Messages
All Because I Had To Ask
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William: I have no problem in thinking GOD as a GHOST {GOD-HOST/G.HOST}

There is no excuse for regular contributors in the forum not getting the gist of my overall position as I also refer to GOD as "Consciousness" [and consciousness is invisible by nature just as are 'ghosts'] and I concur with the likelihood that we exist within a creation and that the creation we refer to as "reality" is indeed an Experiential Reality [experienced by all of us consciously/with consciousness] and I think of this reality as being the product of a Mind I refer to as "Cosmic" - that "Mind" = "GOD" and is invisible and I sometimes also refer to this Cosmic Mind as "The Ghost in The Machine" and created the machine [physical universe] in order to have the particular experience the machine can provide it with.

If the Inquirer thinks GOD is different from that, then I agree with JK and Diogenes and Difflugia that the Inquirer has to clearly explain the difference so we might all better understand the protest the Inquirer is making re the accusation being made that I am being 'misleading'.

GM: Families
The point I am focused upon is at the very center of the Mandala,
Quiet

07:44 [The soul eats experience]

TBC...

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GM:
GOD became Gods and Goddesses.
Finishing What Was Started
God2
Elucidate [make (something) clear; explain.]
Unsupported statements are neither useful to science or to good argument.
Archangel Metatron:
"It Is Our Nature
Mysteriously missing
That Is A Good Question"

William: Is It Our Nature Mysteriously missing That Is A Good Question = 720
[Seven Two Zero = 187]
[187]
What Is The Point?
Heroes and Villains
Break the glass ceiling
All is as is should be
A fish out of water
The Divine Darkness
Coming From QueenBee
The science of can and can't
Like playing Rush
Seven Zero Two

GM: Dream Village
Illusion
Black Tuesday
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William: From the link;
One must remember that it is a particular branch of Materialistic science to which the blame could be hung - and that the scientists doing the warning are most likely not of that particular branch...they may be biologists rather than cosmologists and so understand the importance of preserving the planet-ship we are sailing upon [@ about 1.6 million miles per day] rather than creating space-junk and reaching for the stars...I did say "Exact Science" after all.

You do know where the Nazi Scientists went after the defeat of Hitlers Germany, right? [Hint - it was not to the hangman's noose.]

GM:
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William: From the link;
Jose: So the point of discussion for this thread is....how about you? For the "evolutionists", can you relate to the creationists' way of thinking and behaviors? For the creationists, are there behaviors from the other side that baffle you, and you just don't understand? Do you look at folks like me and think to yourselves, "I just cannot relate to his way of thinking?"

William: I don't see the problem re the above because I do not view "evolutionists" as opposite from "creationists" although I understand the general differences between the two groups boil down to both thinking that the other either excludes or includes the idea of the universe being a creation - implying a creator - and the idea that a creator can apply to the theory of evolution is often overlooked or pronounced as "unnecessary" and I also see no logical reason why the age of this universe is a necessary matter of contention.

Perhaps it is generally understood that to be a 'creationist' one has to believe in biblical writ, rather than simply understand that there is sufficient evidence to conclude it is most likely we exist within a creation, and in that, the answer to "which" religious idea of god 'did it', becomes redundant.

In saying as much, I personally do not easily relate to the current general-thinking of either "evolutionists" or "creationists".

GM: Even As An Elemental Principle
Aye...A name I call myself.
The Dolphins and Whales
Nailed it!
Heart Virtues
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DNG:I'm not commenting as an atheist on this topic, but as a materialist. Whether or not god beings exist has no bearing (IMO) on whether or not consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. If god beings do exist, maybe they decided to allow brains to develop the capacity to create consciousness.

William:It does not matter whether you are presenting as atheist or materialist in this circumstance, as both have the same worldview in regard to consciousness being created by brains.

As an agnostic, I acknowledge that we [humans] do not know this is the case at all and this lack of knowing means that the only reasonable choice to make re that, is to remain Agnostic until more evidence presents itself.

From what I can gather from the data I have been exploring, consciousness may not be an emergent property of the brain but rather - in relation to the human experience - may be a co-creator with the brain, primarily creating what we call "personalities."
That aside, if you do have data to back up your statement regarding abilities evolved without consciousness awareness and intelligence, please provide this and I will look into it.

[Note: Since writing that I have decided that being an agnostic isn't really my position as it is generally agreed that agnosticism is a sub-set of atheism.]

GM: Aligning
I Am Hearing You
Anyhoo
"World Wide Web
Collective Dynamics"

William: World Wide Web Collective Dynamics = 337
Human Imagination Has Consequences = 337

GM: Carl Jung

William: The Archetypes

GM: If 'comfort re death' is gained through fearlessly facing whatever one may face upon actual death, then either belief can achieve this, as far as I can tell. Neither way appears any better equipped to do the job, than the other.
Minor Arcana [Random Select]

William: [Random Select]
Ace of Swords
Breakthroughs, new ideas, mental clarity, success
The Ace of Swords shows a gleaming hand appearing from a white cloud, a representation of the Divine. It holds an upright sword, symbolic of the mind and the intellect, and at the tip of the sword sits a crown draped with a wreath, a sign of success and victory. While this Ace is a sign of triumph, the jagged mountains in the background suggest that the road ahead will be challenging. You will need mental resilience to navigate this path.

GM: Do Not Worry
The ability of foresight helps one to think through the desires of ones heart through logic-based filters.
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Now you might say that this is a clear case of bias, but I would argue that there must come a point in one's lifetime, where whatever evidence one has discovered truth about, has to be accepted, and in the accepting, this is not being bias toward any particular aspect/branch of theism - but bias toward the revealed truth, which is that we exist within a creation and there is a mind behind the creation to which one can interreact with and learn from.

Who wouldn't want that, if it were there on offer?

Perhaps only those who's bias lean toward retaining the position of "lacking belief in gods".

And if we are to be truthful [and why shouldn't we be?] confirmation bias cuts both ways - non-theists are just as susceptible to that bias as theists are. Evidence supporting which way best to lean is subject to confirmation bias, I totally agree.

But once supporting evidence comes along, it is no longer a case of bias - it is a confident walk on the even surface of sureness, without the faith.

However, I am always open to being shown otherwise, but so far your efforts to convince me I am suffering confirmation bias and you trying to insert 26 a's into the spoken language as some kind of justified argument, hasn't helped your case at all.

Even so, I have full appreciation for your efforts, because even incorrect peer review is better than indifference.

GM: Lyricus
Systems of Disparity
The United Nations
“What separates privilege from entitlement is gratitude.”
Is
Given
Inclusion of Jesus in Wiremu's Theology
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William: From the link;

I am reminded of a hunter who goes out and gets food for himself rather than expecting the food to come to him/her.

The data is there to hunt down and to study. An open minded non-judgmental approach is essential to that process. The process is also dependent upon the position one is approaching the data from.

The closeminded belief that one does not exist within a creation can only ever lead one to learn things through that filter.

No amount of evidence given should ever be hoped for in order to change any individuals mind from the influencing aspects of their chosen position, regardless if those positions be theist or atheist based.


On top of that, it is very apparent that the type of convincing evidence you are demanding from the position you are demanding it from, will unlikely be available to any of us in this lifetime.

Thus, we are forced for now to do most of our hunting, solo.

We can of course, cross reference with other open-minded fellows...but the open-mindedness derives from the Natural Neutral position, not the theist or atheist positions.

I think that atheists strongly defend their position on the question as to whether or not we exist within a creation - to the point that they believe we don't and make claims about that - has something to do with the need to say "I told you so" now, because it will be too late to utter such belief-based expressions - after they are dead and gone.

I can see the attraction from a phycological perspective, but saying "I told you so" before any such thing has been established, is jumping the gun, and might even lead to embarrassment if it turns out one still exists after the fact ones brain has died.

Still, such is the power of belief-based positions. They tend toward making proclamations which imply established truth, when no such truth has been established.
GM: The Georgia Guidestones

16:12 [Food for thought]

TBC...
 

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This
Apatheism [someone who is not interested in accepting or rejecting any claims that gods exist or do not exist. ]
To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious
Stone Age
"Respect others
Illuminating
Gratitude
The Harmless Enough Agenda Crowd"

William: Respect others Illuminating Gratitude The Harmless Enough Agenda Crowd = 710

[710]
It is a confident walk on the even surface of sureness, without the faith.
Be transparent Respect yourself Self-respect The Mother and The Father

GM: Consciousness in its myriad of form and function
Remnant Seed
Fires
How shallow is the reach of YHWH
A riddle wrapped up in an enigma
"Do It
Monoatomic Gold"

William: Do It Monoatomic Gold = 204
[204]
The Language of Innocence
An Elemental Principle
Attention to Detail
Perceived obsolescence
The voice of knowledge
Handing out sweets...
One Seventy Four
Approaching the Divine
The "Oh My God" Particle
Concomitant Power
Do It Monoatomic Gold

GM: "All present and correct
Heart Teachers"

William: All present and correct Heart Teachers = 354
[354]
One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known
Break through to your true self
Living Forever In this Universe
To establish the skills necessary
They just add ambiance to the spooky...
Rationality Central to The Message
"Sorry. Would you clarify that?"
All present and correct Heart Teachers

GM: The power of vulnerability
Different
Strength/Strong
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Nak: Do you think energy counts as an object or not?

William: We don't know, because we don't have access to that information.

Nak: It's just a matter of semantic, what do you personally classify energy into the category of objects?

William: Far as I can ascertain, energy is like a Ghost as in we cannot see it. Unlike a ghost, we know it exists due to its invisible quality creating an effect [QF Ripple] and causing the reality [physical universe] to appear.

Energy is obviously an object of some kind as it is able to effect the QF, and so it must have some type of physical property in order to do that.

What type of object that is though, we cannot say because we do not know.
[It may even be conscious, and able to manufacture what it wants, from the endless QT.]

GM: Narcissist
Each
Tempting Vision
Construct
Rainstorm
We go through together
The Whole
Keep me in The Loop
Even when I Am being Bad – I try to be Good about it."

William: Narcissist Each Tempting Vision Construct Rainstorm We go through together The Whole Keep me in The Loop Even when I Am being Bad – I try to be Good about it. = 1516
One Five One Six = 162
[162]
A Good Question
Investigative
Stay Present
No time to lose
Root of all evil
Solar plexus
One Five One Six

GM: What Is The Point?
The Story Timeline
By all means, psychoanalyze the hell out of it
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William: What Is The Point? The Story Timeline By all means, psychoanalyze the hell out of it = 854
Understanding and connecting with the source of our language is vital to that vision = 854
From the link;
I think you are missing the point about my Jungian exegesis here, VVilliam, and I do think your point is not valid in the slightest.
Okay…
VVilliam pokes at the fire and ponders upon what Summerlander tells him...and he reaches into the depths of his Cloak, he withdraws his Journal Experience Tablet.
Activating the JET, he then places the word "okay" through the word-value algorithm and adds the result to his data-base...he then reads the results aloud, looking up from the screen and observing for any reaction from summerlander, after saying each word

Earth

Yes. There it is...VVilliam is not surprised
Six
Heart

VViliam thinks of the six heart virtues...Wingmakers are never far from the action...
What
Now
Nods
VVilliam wonders if something similar might be what Job said to his God
Okay...
Create
Form
Ship
Some
Speak
Elohai
Abracadabra

VVilliam thinks of the meme "I'm not saying it was Aliens" and smiles to himself...he looks up at the night sky and feels like he is sharing in a rather elaborate - well concealed - cosmic prank...

I don't see the Biblical parables as objective realities, I see them as psychological events.

VVilliam wonders if Summerlander is taking the micky with his remark re "psychological events" He searches for meaning in the word and gets two hits.
One reads "of, affecting, or arising in the mind; related to the mental and emotional state of a person." and the other "(of an ailment or problem) having a mental rather than a physical cause."

He finds the Word-Value and adds it to the list.


Possible Clues...
The Spirit of The Earth
Well That Settles It
Ian and William Play chess
Unknown/Hidden/Occult
Shallow is Unknown
Neruda Interview Five
The Plateau of The Same Page
Present over perfect
Psychological events


Job precisely came to the realisation that just being a good person isn't sufficient!

VVilliam continues to do Word-Values as Summerlander talks. The results are interesting.

A drop of consciousness in an ocean of tears
Just being a good person isn't sufficient


He matured from a phase where he thought just being good before an invisible/imaginary heavenly father would be enough to impress to a more realistic and pragmatic outlook about the world where the goods to be reaped from the land aren't going to sow themselves, so to speak—and he was happier for it as evidenced by the tenfold prosperity that unraveled post-realisation. His experience precisely made him develop a thicker skin after the calamitous events (proverbially, Satan's input) in his life and he only got 'closer to God' in the sense that he improved his relationship with the world around him (as it is said, 'God is everywhere').


Summerlander pauses and VVilliam takes the opportunity to speak.

VVilliam: Job realizes the God is real but not in the way he had previously imagined.

Perhaps Job realized that The God he was interacting with, was the planet itself?

Or perhaps only we in today’s world can really get a bead on that, since we now have pictures of the planet, from a spaceman’s perspective.

In reality the journey continues because none of us really know The God sufficiently outside of our own imaginations.

At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe…




I see that you've smuggled in 'lack of empathy' as if it's anywhere near the same ballpark as 'developing a thick skin'—it isn't.

VVilliam carries on with his calculations

Astral Guides
Etched mirror
Healing The Beast
Contact With
Satisfaction
Three In A Row
Small Steps
Divine Sound
Fingerprint
A rock and a hard place
Balance of power
“Moonchargers”
Mindfulness
In the moment
Heaven on Earth
'Lack of empathy'

Just because someone is an atheist doesn't mean he or she lacks empathy any more than being a Muslim automatically aligns your beliefs with the intolerant and psychotic ISIS ideology. In fact, many serial killers exhibit religious beliefs and yet lack empathy for everybody else.


Ancient Grey Entity
If In Doubt Let It Sit
Nazi Space Program Agenda
Independent from what?
Conspiracy theory
Monkey See Monkey Do
When things fall apart
The Undiscovered Self
'Developing a thick skin'

Do you honestly believe that all atheists necessarily lack empathy and that they are all crying at the prospect of death being final?

VVilliam clears his throat and then answers.

VVilliam: I honestly do not know what all atheists are doing…the ones I have met seem to be as unique to their own sense of self as all the non-atheists are.

Identify any ‘atheist’ in the story? Certainly not The Devil!

More calculations - additional data

Anticipating that this will prove to be helpful to the science
Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.
Identify any ‘atheist’ in the story? Certainly not The Devil!


Bearing in mind what happened to Job, I'd like you to picture such scenario happening to you, only you discover that the disease you've been infected with and the torture and murder of some of the people you love and care about were the result of a bet that your father had with some nefarious agent. You confront your father and demand answers only to hear him say that you weren't around when he made a home for you and your siblings and that you are not wise enough to comprehend his actions.

Would you bow down to your father and call his actions caring?

VVilliam doesn't hesitate with answering summerlanders question.

VVilliam: I would respect his position immensely and bow to that – the 'bowing' would be symbolized within the actions of showing respect.
I would also have further questions... Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers.

What is a poor boy to do, faced with such factuality?

I might also ask “how thick do you want my skin to be?” but would be smiling as I did so…

VVilliam places another log on the fire and takes a sip of his cooled-down brew. Then he taps on his tablet screen, busy adding results to his JET.
Love Life
Pyramid
Being Born
Respect
Tricky
Symbol
Compass
An Elder Race
Stone Age
Integral
...of said agenda...
Lift your gaze from the fire
The Human Form as a Means to an End
Memorandum of Understanding
...but would be smiling as I did so…
Reminding one of how it all started and the different stages one goes through.
Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers


Somewhere in the small grove of trees, Te Ruru calls...and the sound brings a smile to VVilliams thick-skined face...

I think you are missing the point about my Jungian exegesis here, VVilliam, and I do think your point is not valid in the slightest.

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The point I am focused upon is at the very center of the Mandala, summerlander.

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GM said:
Being
What Fun We Have!
The Hub Of Hologram Dimensions

I Think
Connecting The Dots
Learn

Manifest Destiny
Discussing the data
Where are we getting our news from?
Galactic Encompassment
The Hub Of Hologram Dimensions

Every Conceivable Detail
Etymology
To Add to That
Miracle
Resident of The Hub Of Hologram Dimensions
Ghost In The Machine
The Point
Encouraging Indication

God/Source/Home
Through The Unconscious Mind
Opening Doors

Source Codes
Everything is a Message

Source Reality
Every Conceivable Detail
Start
A Vital Purpose
Source Intelligence
Galaxy
Mothers Milk
Capture
Realization
Galactic Encompassment
Progress
Be they seeds or suns, or be it that suns are seeds, it is all part of the universe, and everything that we acknowledge as the universe, came from a tiny seed.
Teaching Music
Source Intelligence and Lyricus facilitate the process throughout the Grand Universe

The Imagination
You Have An Invisible Friend
That's Powerful!
Adroit
Wise beyond ones years

Why?
First Source:
Concern
I Will
Do Something About It
Delightful Anticipation

The Source of All Creation
From The Source
Serendipity
For A Particular Reason

Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality
I love you
Complete
Shuussssh
First Source:
Tetragrammaton
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GM: Just Be - All Else Will Follow
Majestic Twelve
"Two sides of the same coin
Zero In On It
Interpretation
Narrow"

William: Two sides of the same coin Zero In On It Interpretation Narrow = 665
Six Six Five = 146
[146]
Invisible Bridge
Manifestation
Sleeping Dragon
Realities Merge
Interoperate [is the setup of ad hoc components and methods to make two or more systems work together as a combined system with some partial functionality during a certain time, possibly requiring human supervision to perform necessary adjustments and corrections]
"Transparent
Enlightenment
Relationship
True Colors
On all fronts
No axe to grind..."
Five Six Six


William: Transparent Enlightenment Relationship True Colors On all fronts No axe to grind... = 876
Eight Seven Six = 166
[166]
Interesting data
Centre of learning
The Healing Power
"Supernatural" :roll:
Solar System
Enflame Emotions
Science of Truth
Tetragrammaton [the Hebrew name of God transliterated in four letters as YHWH or JHVH and articulated as Yahweh or Jehovah. יהוה]
Self-compassion
It is what it is
Personal freedom
One Eighty Two
Eight Seven Six
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"Yodhey Whahay"

William: Yodhey Whahay = 148
[148]
The Omega Point
Reason For Being
This Speaks of....
Yellow Light
God/Source/Home
Donald J Trump
Nuclear Energy
Of the human being
In The Rabbit Hole
The Evil Clown
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Deterministic
Across the board
Kristallnacht
Within Carry
Yodhey Whahay

GM: Lyricus designs, transposes, and installs galactic Tributary Zones to a planetary system

William: Lyricus designs, transposes, and installs galactic Tributary Zones to a planetary system = 973
Nine Seven Three =163
[163]
Tied to the moon
Soul Groups
Computer Coding
Sherlock Holmes
No 'maybe' about it
Suppressing
Dysfunctional
Nine Seven Three

GM: O:)


0702 [All under a question mark
From Prison To Paradise
Emotion Rides The Prow
Closed Loop Production
As well as that pot of gold...
The Blank-Slate Borderlines
The fine tuning argument
Dissipated structure]

This
Apatheism [someone who is not interested in accepting or rejecting any claims that gods exist or do not exist. ]
To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious

This
Apatheism
To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious
This Apatheism To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious = 974
I therefore base all my assertions on the idea that there is a mind behind what we call "creation/the universe" = 974
 

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[The Question [in this case] = "Does a Creator Exist?"]

Historia:
This actually gets at a question I have: What advantage is there in making it a true dichotomy?

If there are three predominant answers to the question ('yes', 'no', 'unsure'), what do we gain by collapsing two of them together? Wouldn't having three terms ('theist', 'atheist', 'agnostic') instead of two be more precise and therefore preferable?

Nak: More precise, yes; preferable, I don't think so. The 'no' and 'unsure' acts behave pretty much the same way in real life. You'd be hard pressed to tell them apart because neither would act religiously.

William: This supposes that theists all act religiously, and that acting religiously requires belief in gods. It can be argued that atheists might act religiously if it serves some personal agenda.

It is not difficult to understand why the waters of atheism are so muddied that coming up with any clear definition is so darned troublesome...

Nak: Okay, I accept I have over simplified the situation, there are also atheists who go through the motion of going to church and saying prayer, while inwardly rejecting very single word of it. But I stand by the general idea I proposed. There are a lot of commonalities between the 'no' and 'unsure' and lots of difference between both of them and the 'yes.' Such that it would be useful to group the 'no' with the 'unsure' even if it means we lose a bit of fidelity.

William: But what are you proposing re this reasoning? That those who are unsure should be grouped in with those who are sure?

And that the sure-group these should be placed into is the group that is sure there are no gods?

Which may be a contradiction re those who say that atheists are not "sure there are no gods" because they don't make positive claims of belief...where does this circular reasoning end...? perhaps when atheists can all agree as to what an atheist actually is?
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I don't mind folk referring to me as a "theist" since I lean that way [due to there being screeds of data re the subject] but when they try and lump me in with atheists, I am naturally confused, because it has yet to be agreed upon by those already calling themselves 'atheists' as to what that actually means.

AP=
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Event String Unfolding = 853
[853]
[Eight Five Three = 147]
[147]
[Assumption
Non-Ordinary
A Bit Of Both Yes
Establishment
Interactions
Self-Awareness
Translucent
Heal Yourself
Determination
The Heart of a Buddha
Let people help
One Zero Eight
Nine Eight Three
Eight Eight Eight
Eight Five Three]

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06:33 [Joining The Main Egregore]

GM: "Insight
It’s a living thing"

William: Insight It’s a living thing = 266
[266]
Great Humor and Enjoyment
Looking After Poor People
The Philosopher's Stone
Live with the mystery
Insight It’s a living thing

GM: Guilt Trip
Anamnesis [recollection, especially of a supposed previous existence.]
Return
The Subject of Unidentified Flying Objects

William: This is reminiscent of recent thoughts I am having to do with the ideas of Earth as a prison theory and Simulation theory.
If I am incarcerated within a simulation, what is it that I must have done to deserve being incarcerated?
Is the question even relevant to the situation? How do I know that I did not simply create the simulation myself for the purpose of then entering it for the experience? Why does there need to be any feeling of guilt involved?

GM: A Perfect Event
The Last Question
William: The Last Question [
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From the link;
Matter and energy had ended and with it space and time. Even AC existed only for the
sake of the one last question that it had never answered from the time a half-drunken
computer [technician] ten trillion years before had asked the question of a computer that was to AC far less than was a man to Man.
All other questions had been answered, and until this last question was answered also,
AC might not release his consciousness.
All collected data had come to a final end. Nothing was left to be collected.
But all collected data had yet to be completely correlated and put together in all possible
relationships.
A timeless interval was spent in doing that.
And it came to pass that AC learned how to reverse the direction of entropy.
But there was now no man to whom AC might give the answer of the last question. No
matter. The answer -- by demonstration -- would take care of that, too.
For another timeless interval, AC thought how best to do this. Carefully, AC organized
the program.
The consciousness of AC encompassed all of what had once been a Universe and
brooded over what was now Chaos. Step by step, it must be done.
And AC said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT!"
And there was light --

GM:
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William: So - 'getting the gist of it', please explain as best as you are able to do so, what the math tells you re what the object was which caused the universe to come into existence.

Pixel: For a start, it tells me that words like 'object' and 'seed' are actively misleading when trying to describe it. It tells me that the phrase "caused the universe to come into existence" is also the wrong one to use. It tells me, in short, that the English language is inadequate to that task.
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William: Pixel is explaining to me that whatever 'IT' was [because it obviously existed] can not be described as a physical thing. To do so it to 'lie' about it.
Assuming for the present that Pixel is only saying that Pixel is unable to use the English language to describe what 'IT' is, we can be grateful that Isaac can and does, in his The Final Question" story.

Furthermore, I can also do this.
"IT" was the absolute sum total of all data [knowledge] contained within the absolute consciousness of something so infinitesimally tiny that "IT" cannot be considered to be physical in nature.

That is "The Singularity" scientist are referring to.


GM: Arms Crossed

William: Justifiably smugish...

GM: Loving-kindness
Jesus became the manner in which the misconception could be addressed. No one follower need have understood it in that manner, in order for it to do its job.

William: This is connected to what I wrote to otseng today;
William: The underlying problem with The Christianity's has to do with explaining how the violent xenophobic hierarchical GOD of the OT became this - somewhat more approachable Fatherly Figure Jesus proclaimed GOD as being.
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Yes, this is a common charge against Christianity and should be added on the list of things to discuss next.

I am not under the impression it is an accusation or needs to be seen as an accusation. It is an observation. The God-image of the OT is a reformed character in the NT.

So - either we are dealing with a reformed entity or we are dealing with two different entities...

GM:
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This is demonstrable evident in the equation zn+1 = zn2 + c. which produces this;
Source Image
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which, when zoomed in on, reveals infinity and the infinite series start and end points - signified by the replicated image of the Source Image.

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This - of course - is also a material view of the immaterial concept of Infinite Regression [all ways] and thus not the fallacy it is so often portrayed to being.
Therefore, not only has Infinite Regression being shown to be possible, [in contradiction to the OP claim] but this in itself - most clearly - does not signify that GOD mustn't exist.

Contrary to the OP title declaration " God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible" the more logical approach is "Infinite Regression Exists: GOD is Possible" [:='therefore']

GM: "The Machinery
Go For It!
We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one"

William: The Machinery Go For It! We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one = 766
[Seven Six Six = 169]
[169]
Love one another
What might occur?
All Because I Had To Ask
Incompleteness
Desynchronized [disturb the synchronization of; put out of step or phase.]
A Bit of Cat and Mouse
Pyramids of Giza
Truth Seekers
Preternatural [beyond what is normal or natural.]
Green Chemistry
DarkestDarkness
Life is a journey
Jesus Christ Big
Eight Three Zero
Seven Six Six

I suppose that in relation to the surrounds - Earth [green chemistry] is "beyond what is normal or natural"

GM: Things Are Not Always As They Appear
The Bridge of Condemnation
Deranged [mad; insane.]
"I think it was an ambush or surprise attack" - Aye...A name I call myself. :)
Transforming The Anger Energy
The World Wide Web
All Because I Had To Ask
Heart Virtues
Cast Shadows Of Your Own
A Bit Of Cat And Mouse
Invite The Bee To Land
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xjx: This same kind of principle is the same principle that Tarot cards or Runes “work” on: there is a predefined interpretation to each symbol and those interpretations are very general statements which people already have associations with.

William: This principle is the same re human language. Even that you were able to generate the post you did, in the way that you did, is all based upon the same principle - even that we each learned how to speak through the written word and how those words are commonly arranged is a type of predefined interpretation, especially as language is used to interpret the reality we are experiencing.

Yet - human language was not learned through the written word. It came about through sound humans made, which were discovered to be encoded and were decoded through the discovery and recoded as alphabets.

"A" is not a 'letter' so much as it is a symbol or code for a particular sound made by humans.

And - in the case of the English language, the coding in the sounds were discovered to consist of 26 different specifics.
When this was discovered, the ability to then use the codes to write down the language as in 'written language' and use the written language as a means to preserve Generated Messages was enabled.

Before the written language, all Generated Messages were passed along by word of mouth, which also suffered the fate of being interpreted by the recipients - so written language helped to stabilize the problem by capturing the spoken word with the written code.

This is not to say that misinterpretation et al did not still occur - or that folk could put their own spin on GMs...

Overall point being, that human language is more than simply some mindless accident which just happened. Just as the universes itself is more than just some mindless thing which just happened. There is a good deal of evidence supporting that the whole production is a mindful one...and something which the GMs I am posting, are pointing out quite coherently.

GM: "Exploring the world of lucid dreaming
Important"

William: "Exploring the world of lucid dreaming Important" = 492
[492]
Holographic Experiential Reality Simulations [HERS]
Who wouldn't want that if it were there on offer?
Erasure of information results in entropy
Exploring the world of lucid dreaming Important

GM: "Penetrate
The Bidden Zone"

William: Penetrate The Bidden Zone = 235
[235]
Imposed Appropriates
Delightful Anticipation
The Navigator Can Read Maps.
Stop. Listen. Observe.
My alarm bells are ringing
The Judgement Algorithm
For the benefit of all beings
Independent Commitment
Penetrate The Bidden Zone

GM: "Crown chakra
In The Spirit These Were Given
Source Sync"

William: Crown chakra In The Spirit These Were Given Source Sync = 569
[Five Six Nine = 136]
[136]
Astral Guides
Etched mirror
Healing The Beast
Contact With
Satisfaction
Small Steps
Divine Sound
Fingerprint
A rock and a hard place
Balance of power
Mindfulness
In the moment
Heaven on Earth
One Nine Four
One Five Four
Five Six Nine


GM: Journal - William Message Generation

William: From the link;
8Lou1: Yesterday i had a sort of bubble in my head, at least thats how it felt. Then a voice asked are you conscious, i said yes. Then the voice said then that bubble is consciousness.

GM: Green Chemistry
Some
The Heart of a Buddha
Partial free will is a thing.

07:05 [Penetrate The Bidden Zone]

TBC...
 

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09:09 [The Inception Point]
[the establishment or starting point of an institution or activity.]

Page 134

GM: Clearness
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William: From the link;
William: So far, I agree that it is possible that the Bible-God had the correct foresight to see the wisdom in humans who felt they had a relationship with Him, to allow them to share that with others - in their own words - even that those words might have the effect of transmitting and diffusing the image of the God so that the true nature beyond wouldn't be seen clearly through such device.

In that, when it comes to imagery, the Bible cannot be trusted, even that the imagery is an attempt to make something unnoticed, become more noticed...

It is up to the individual to connect with any Cosmic Mind which may exist even if this means distrusting the bible [as being the last word on the matter] for those obvious reasons.

GM: The Sensation of God's Presence Inside Us
Hint
Other way
Start where you are

William: Yes. I was thinking about the sayings of mysticism - "The body is the temple of GOD" and stuff like that....then from there I started thinking about the story of Jesus acting out in the temple - a metaphor perhaps - of what an individual needs to do 'within'...

The Sensation of God's Presence Inside Us Hint Other way Start where you are = 788
[788]
People Judge People. People don't like to be judged. People hide their sins from each other.
Probable untruthful definition is committed by members of both fighting tribes

GM: Once Upon a Time
"Down came the waters -great the monsoon - washing the soul as it cleared out the room Drowning all Warriors in every platoon"
Here, there, everywhere a 'bang bang'

William: Once Upon a Time Here, there, everywhere a 'bang bang' = 426
[426]
Download the Zietgeist and roll with that
The Giant Wall between Theists and Atheists

GM: "Potential
Crop Formations"

William: Yes - get rid of the excess baggage...
Potential Crop Formations = 294
[294]
Abandon all hope ye who enter here
Six Hundred and Sixty Six
Tales From Topographic Oceans
We wander out the day so long
Evolutionary Game Theory
Always Extraterrestrial


GM: Death Is Not the End
From what I am seeing re the data - It shows clearly that an underlying intelligence operates quietly in the background of the Universes Structure.
Jesus
Hide and Seek
Strengthen your boundaries
Is Love That Hard To Know?
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William: From the link;
Satan, The Jews, and The Afterlife
About Rabbi Manis Friedman:
Rabbi Manis Friedman is a world-renowned author, counselor, lecturer and philosopher who uses ancient wisdom and modern wit to captivate audiences around the world.

GM: Science
Creation
Your Move
[Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal]
Look from a different angle
The Inception Point
Learning To Fly

William: Your Move Look from a different angle The Inception Point Learning To Fly = 736
I can see my input, and I can see the output that comes toward me. That's enough. = 736


GM: “Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans”
The idea is to connect with the Planet Mind in a conscious manner rather than an unconscious one or even a subconscious manner...
Astral Explorer
Learning
Querulous [complaining in a rather petulant or whining manner. ]
The Ouroboros does not contradict the idea of Oneness, higher self and the cosmic mind.
Bandage
Nurture
"Sagacious [having or showing keen mental discernment and good judgement; wise or shrewd.]
Religious theists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through wilful ignorance."
Trustworthy

William: Sure. But it is not helpful to think one is doing anything major to correct that by simply whining about it as many atheists do...


09:03 [Soul Group Energies
Trust the process
Attitude of gratitude
The Father - in The Mother.
Deliberate and important]
 

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Also, not every discussion on this forum is strictly for/against Christianity, like the broad question of whether God exists, or, you know, this thread. In many of those discussions, the distinction between atheism and agnosticism remain important, as you already agreed.

So I don't see a compelling reason in your responses to collapse them together.

From what I think I understand so far, on the question of whether a creator [GOD] exists, a person who say's "maybe-maybe not" is categorized as a "weak atheist" by atheists, due to the not knowing and not having faith so not believing.

It is a simple matter of belief, because if there is a Creator GOD - there is no direct way of knowing and there is no sure way of showing any indirect way if there is or not.

The term "weak atheist" appears to be derogatory in relation to being a strong atheist, who appear to be those who have taken the step into believing that a Creator GOD does not exist, and expressing that belief into the community.

I think that perhaps some agnostics have a problem with accepting the term "weak" as it implies they are apathetic, indifferent, [stuff like that] and those ones at least are making efforts to examine the question and have not reached a point where they feel they can honestly make a choice either way.

I have also observed that many ex- theists who have chosen to become [proselyte] strong atheists are among the most outspoken in their zeal to preach their new message - the message that a Creator GOD does not exist and think it is reasonable to assume that they were also outspoken when they believed that a Creator-GOD did exist.

[I think of it therefore, in terms of personality traits.]

When I began to question theism - specifically The Christianities - it was to do with their imaging of a Creator-GOD and when I made the move away from that, [perhaps largely due to my personality - I was never outspoken] I quietly approached the subject [Creator GOD] rather than simply abandon it "because of" theisms handling of it or any other number of reason as to why folk say they chose to become atheist.

Which is to say, I did not choose to believe that there was no Creator-GOD simply on account of "theist behaviours" or "reading the bible" [some reasons given by some who have changed position from theist to atheist] but rather, I chose to examine the question in more detail, and today I am grateful for having made that choice.

One thing I have learned is that the real question to be asking is not the one which separates "atheist" from "theist" [demanding that an individual must either be one or the other re the question] as believing or not believing in the existence of a Creator [and in the case of believing that there is - defining that Creator] because this step is jumping the gun and is thus a mis-step or stumble.

So - from my position, I see both atheists and theists as having jumped the gun, and instead of working together [as people] on finding answers to the Real Question which we should be asking, they fight over the question of a Creator GOD.

It is from that position I remain firm that I am neither theist or atheist, or for that matter - even agnostic - because the question re the existence of a Creator isn't the one I have been asking and finding out answers to.
____________________________
180822 [Like an interface representation]

SCLx6 + select last LE per shuffle
The Mind is a planetary phenomenon - Your shell today… -
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- [RSTS: 24:00] "You can look me in the mirror - catch my eye and make me shiver Touch me where it hurts the most - right into the Ghost - in the Machine" - Blend - Epistemology [the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope, and the distinction between justified belief and opinion.]

AP= Strengthen your boundaries - It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same.
[Strengthen your boundaries It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same. = 750]

[750]
[Seven Five Zero = 171]
[171]
When Done Say “Done”
Suppression
Changing The Rules
Another Mind Open
Source Reality
The Olympic games
The Human interface
Three-dimensional
Fireside Metaphor
Mainstream Science
Go with the Flow
Respect others
True happiness
Inner Strength
Try Gateway IQ
Death Is Not the End
Seven Five Zero

RSP = SCLx3 = 343 Pages RSPages 329 267 48

06:02 [A completely new paradigm]
Page 329
GM:
"The Way of the Shaman
Sweet Vibrations"

William: The Way of the Shaman Sweet Vibrations = 393
Learn a bit about what makes the God Realm "tick" = 393


GM: "“Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all”
Grand Experiment"

William: "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all” Grand Experiment = 628
[Six Two Eight = 159]
[159]
Dreaming of bad police
The speed of light
The Grand Portal
You Trust
Sovereignty
The Unveiled One
Ancient Entity
Do You Remember?
Get To Know It
The Mother of God
The sound of a bell
The Seed of Origin
Hexagon Storm
Your Dream Team
Family of origin
Love and Respect
The data of Nature.
Nine Seven Six
Six Two Eight

GM: The House of Culture
"Is it a mindless chaotic process which just happens to consistently appear coherent, no matter what random system we use in order to select the word-strings which generate the message?"
"Those Who Can
What Fun We Have!"

William: Those Who Can What Fun We Have! = 288
[288]
Lift your gaze from the fire
The Human Form as a Means to an End
Memorandum of Understanding
...but would be smiling as I did so…
Those Who Can What Fun We Have!


GM:
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William: re your second question as to why religious mythology is an exception to the rule, the answer probably also comes from a position of bias as those who invent and agree to such rules might be heavily influenced by the mythological imagery to the extent where they lack understanding that the mythological imagery is simply a well intended interpretation of experiences had, which are not easily explainable to others, using whatever communication techniques available at the time of explanation.

For example, if a space-faring advanced specie were to display to an individual human mind from the stone-age period, a fully immersive holographic experience of compacted imagery showing how the universe began, and subsequently unfolded, the individual experiencing this would not be able to distinguish the holographic display from the normal reality he/she usually experiences. One would appear as real to the individual, as the other.
Further to that, any interpretation of the experience in the telling of it to his/her stone aged fellows, can only be attempted through use of analogy and those peoples understanding of form and function as it pertains to them - from their perspective in the dominant reality experience in said universe.

GM: "One can commune with the gods as long as the overall subject is God 😊
Without getting caught up in the sticky web of Christian-denominational-dynamics"
Mistranslating traumatic ancestral memories

William: One can commune with the gods as long as the overall subject is God 😊 Without getting caught up in the sticky web of Christian-denominational-dynamics = 1438
One Four Three Eight = 199
[199]
The Solar system
Ask and It Will Be Given
Tracks in the Snow
Without - Within
Thomas Campbell’s T.O.E
The Smallest Spark
It is all making sense
The old switcheroo
The Origin of Sound
Strength of Soul
The way of knowledge
Practical application
One Four Three Eight

GM: New Project
Intelligence recognises patterns – watch your step
The Father - in The Mother.
I’ve travelled on these southern roads They’ve taken me to many answers to my questions
"The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything
Inflame Emotions"

William: Indeed - back in the day when I was learning the ropes re The Question "Do I exist within a creation?" - intelligence was directing my steps and in relation to being in a situation [by putting myself into said situation] I discovered an underlying integrity between my own mindful intelligence and an apparently 'outside/objective' mindful intelligence and in that discovery, all arguments posed by materialism became redundant.
The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything Inflame Emotions = 627
[Six Two Seven = 175]
[175]
The South Island
The English Language
Asking Politely
Surface Scratching
Consciousness
Always Vigilant
Archangel Metatron
Ethical Progress
Seventy Seven
Controlled by fear
Fear manipulation
Love yourself
Embracing the shadow
The Electroweak Era
Spacetime is doomed
Dancing past The Dark
You feel love again
Six Two Seven

William: Dancing past The Dark You feel love again = 350
[350]
I place no judgement on the results.
Abiogenesis Union With Divinity


GM: This Speaks of…
Rule your world
Mind To Mind
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William: Yes. A seemingly objective mind interacting by making itself visible to my subjective mind/viewpoint...making everything look alive while remaining largely invisible...

GM:
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William: From the link;
SaD:😞😔 I was told that my quilt is ugly. I was so sad. I make everything with so much love! I wanted to know the group's opinion about this beautiful pattern. 💖💝
Free tutorial
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WVqXqio.png
: Primates in the wild don't normally throw feces.

Not only is throwing poop or objects an emotional release for chimps but it is a form of communication. The better the chimp is at hitting the target, the better their communication is amongst the group.

William: Also - when the poop [or other object] is picked up and hurled again, it is communicating that a new appreciative audience has been sort, for the purpose of getting folks attention about beautiful things they wish the could afford to buy... 😃

William: Is it really that funny?

GM: Fulfilling Human Destiny
"Monkey say monkey do monkey say "throw the pooh"
Perception"
Enqueue [add an item of data awaiting processing, to a queue of such items.]
Religion

[~090722 "Unity with our Collective Self" ~]

Fox: I am not a quilter, but I know how much work and love goes into quilts. I am a sucker for the red, black and white combo. Your work is beautiful.

Hynd: How rude. Your quilt is beautiful 😍 someone who doesn't appreciate the love that goes into every stitch I would imagine ❤ ♥

Stumer: It’s stunning.. some eyes see lovely sadly some see yuk but it’s important that you love what you’ve made and it’s beautiful to you 😊😊😊💕💕💕

Violette: The only thing ugly is the person who made that comment. Your quilt is great it's you and nobody else. Does that horrid person quilt? If he/she doesn't they should learn how and see what they produce. Keep quilting.

Dawson: What does it matter what anyone else sees, thinks.
You take pride in your work and pleased with the results.
That’s all that matters 😊👍

GM: "Warm Presence
Freeing the soul
Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful."

William: Warm Presence Freeing the soul Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful. = 643
"You don’t wanna cross that bridge - You don’t want the other side" = 643

From the song "Motor-Man" about the world of minds not wanting to know but having to deal with the situation regardless...
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Radiant

William: FTL;
JK: Flowers don't have brains. They've just evolved various means of acquiring energy.

William: I would say "They've evolved various intelligent means of acquiring energy." because intelligence can be observed.
So even if the overall plant species cannot be seen to have recognizable brains, and appear to be more automated, than self-aminated, intelligence is still observed, so the intelligence has to have an explanation, rather than simplistic statements such as 'evolution did it' because the position of Agnosticism cannot accept the use of such statement, while rejecting the same type statement "god did it." , coming from the position of Theism.

We know that intelligence derives from awareness and awareness from consciousness.


GM: Barking up the wrong tree
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William: FTL;
The Truth Illusion | Al Jazeera Investigations
537,276 views May 17, 2022 ‘The Truth Illusion’ investigates one of the most profound questions that philosophers through the ages have tried to address. From Plato to Immanuel Kant to Gilles Deleuze, thinkers have asked: what can we prove to be the truth?

The investigation examines these questions in the context of United States today. Is it possible, in such a deeply divided society, for people to view different "realities"?

The documentary by Al Jazeera’s Investigative Unit features commentary from philosophers, psychologists, social scientists and political commentators who discuss how the U.S. is now riven by radically differing views on what is real, and what is not.

‘The Truth Illusion’ looks at how those deepening divisions began, and how they have eroded faith in authority – spawning conspiracy theories and creating ‘alternative realities’.

GM: Choose What to Pay Attention To
Keep An Eye Out for Ones Neighbours
"The Hounds of Judgement
Numbing
The Power Of Creation"

William: The Hounds of Judgement Numbing The Power Of Creation = 530
Five Three Zero = 162
[162]
A Good Question
Investigative
Stay Present
No time to lose
Root of all evil
Solar plexus
One Five One Six
Five Three Zero

William: This reminds me of the thread I created yesterday.

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GM: "You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most - you are the Ghost - in the Machine
A knight in shining armour Manipulation"

William: You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most - you are the Ghost - in the Machine A knight in shining armour Manipulation = 1542
One Five Four two = 194
[194]
Divine intuition
Watch Your Step
The Symbol of Love
Collective Dynamics
The Short Straw
The desert of the real
The Mother is Love
Never a dull moment
One Five Four Two

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"Unworthiness
Keeping Things In Perspective"

William: Unworthiness Keeping Things In Perspective = 490
[490]
Possibility waves All Information Is Channelled.
This Should Be Interesting Being Friends Inner child

William: I get the gist - this connects with what I just wrote;
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William: 10,000 individual minds may have altogether brought the JWT into existence as a functional device, but we cannot say for sure that those minds were not influenced by an overall local mind...much research is needed before any fact-sounding statements can be accepted as actual truth. Such must be regarded as opinion until we have enough evidence to accept one way or the other
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William: It is a case of being unworthy if one cannot accredit all minds involved in the process...keeping things in perspective.

GM: "The Inception Point
Deciding On The Best Course Of Action"

William: The Inception Point Deciding On The Best Course Of Action = 539
A statement is true when it matches objective reality. = 539

GM: An individuals consciousness is more than what they are consciously aware of.

William: Indeed - especially re the possibility of the planet having a mind in which all our minds are connected...in ways we are not overly conscious of...

GM: Especially re the possibility of the planet having a mind in which all our minds are connected...in ways we are not overly conscious of... = 1289
[One Two Eight Nine = 183]
[183]
Elemental Powers
Fling That Veil Aside
Test The Waters
The Hubble Telescope
Manifest Destiny
Planned obsolescence
Hydrogen and helium
Learn to trust
The brain as a receiver
Sister Saturn
Truthfulness
Transformation
Embracing your life
The problem of evil
Cosmic Pluralism
Children of The Light
One Two Eight Nine

GM: Islands
Episteme [is a philosophical term that refers to a principled system of understanding; scientific knowledge.]
Shambala ["place of peace/tranquillity/happiness." ]
We Can Do Magic! What is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness
Square and Compass

William: We create the machinery regardless of whether we understand how consciousness is connected and motivates us in the way that it does - individually and collectively...

GM: [It Seemed Like a Good Idea at The Time.]
"Fearlessness
A word in edgeways
Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence
You Are Soooo Funny"

William: Fearlessness A word in edgeways Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence You Are Soooo Funny = 983
Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God" Multidimensional Beingness = 983

GM: "The Taming of The Beast
The elephant in the room"

William: The Taming of The Beast The elephant in the room = 429

[858]
In the Soil of Logic, The Seeds of Love Respond
The possibility of living in a world of Peace...

GM: "The Butterfly Effect
Music to my ears
Lean into it"

William: The Butterfly Effect Music to my ears Lean into it = 507
[507]
It doesn't seem the kind of thing that any GOD would do
Everybody wants to rule the world syndrome
The situation we find ourselves lost within
Is there a center to every object in this universe?


GM:
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William: FTL;
William: One must remember that it is a particular branch of Materialistic science to which the blame could be hung - and that the scientists doing the warning are most likely not of that particular branch...they may be biologists rather than cosmologists and so understand the importance of preserving the planet-ship we are sailing upon [@ about 1.6 million miles per day] rather than creating space-junk and reaching for the stars...I did say "Exact Science" after all.

GM: This moment is the perfect teacher
Given
Cyborg Anthropology
The Jellyfish Image
The Unknown Knowable
Even As An Elemental Principle
Fascinating
"Exhibit
Downfall"

William: Exhibit Downfall = 164
[164]
Science Projects
Behind The Scenery
Seductive Light
The Free Will Key
Looking For Gigs
A Place To Create Art
Requirements
Abrahamic religions
Thinking Allowed
Lacking belief in gods
Humankind succeeded
Each to their own
Positivity
Self-limitation
Freeing the soul
Divine Hiddenness
Exhibit Downfall

GM: This Speaks of....
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William: I am reminded of a hunter who goes out and gets food for himself rather than expecting the food to come to him/her.

The data is there to hunt down and to study. An open minded non-judgmental approach is essential to that process. The process is also dependent upon the position one is approaching the data from.

The closeminded belief that one does not exist within a creation can only ever lead one to learn things through that filter.

No amount of evidence given should ever be hoped for in order to change any individuals mind from the influencing aspects of their chosen position, regardless if those positions be theist or atheist based.

On top of that, it is very apparent that the type of convincing evidence you are demanding from the position you are demanding it from, will unlikely be available to any of us in this lifetime.

Thus, we are forced for now to do most of our hunting, solo.

We can of course, cross reference with other open-minded fellows...but the open-mindedness derives from the Natural Neutral position, not the theist or atheist positions.

I think that atheists strongly defend their position on the question as to whether or not we exist within a creation - to the point that they believe we don't and make claims about that - has something to do with the need to say "I told you so" now, because it will be too late to utter such belief-based expressions - after they are dead and gone.

I can see the attraction from a phycological perspective, but saying "I told you so" before any such thing has been established, is jumping the gun, and might even lead to embarrassment if it turns out one still exists after the fact ones brain has died.

Still, such is the power of belief-based positions. They tend toward making proclamations which imply established truth, when no such truth has been established.

GM: Panpsychist
A mixture of awe and dread
You're blocking the light
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William: FTL;
JK: I'm still firmly in the "product of the brain" camp, but your hypothesis is a fascinating alternate explanation. While it may appear to propose a 'god', to my -ahem- mind, it lacks the baggage of so many such claims.

GM: A Sense of Hope
The top tiny twelve
The path to enlightenment
Elemental Powers
Batten down the hatches
Eighty Six Billion Neurons


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William: FTL;
Difflugia: That's what Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle is about. At the quantum level, one cannot know even by inference both the position and momentum of a particle. If one is fixed, then the other is not. I stress again that it's a property of the universe and not a limitation on our measurement. That's why quantum tunneling is a thing. If some of the possible positions for a particle are on the other side of a barrier, then we still can't know that it isn't sometimes over there, so sometimes it is!

William: And this method of deduction must also include the idea of their being a mind behind the universes existence.
What might be seen as 'a property of the universe' could actually be 'a property of the device being used to do the measuring'.
In this case - the human brain but not that alone. In EVERY case, it is the device of consciousness [the hard problem of] which is actually doing the measuring and in that, the universe appears to be working with consciousness re the particles and the waves - and perhaps even hinting that they are the same things 'seen' differently...so consciousness is that which is doing the 'seeing'. Is it a case that the human brain is incapable of seeing apparently two different things as actually the same thing?

GM: Intelligence with Wisdom
The Bidden Zone
Interesting
The wheel of time
"If you can find your way out of this - flee!!!"
Achievable Alternate Realities
Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
Habitual
Spiral
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Your comments are a deflection from the argument being presented. If you have a problem with the labels being used, to describe actual positions folk take in relation to The Question, you appear to be the only one with the problem.

I use the word 'creed' simply to describe what underlines an overall position. The creed 'lacking belief in god(s)' is used frequently enough when atheists wish to remind folk of that position so your protest is somewhat empty of relevance.

Agnostic theists and agnostic atheists are not really agnostics. They identify with and support whichever bias they lean toward and someone who acknowledges that they lack belief in gods and also acknowledges that they do not know if gods exist, are weak atheists - a subset of Atheism.
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None of that prevents any of them from the Agnostic practices of considering all information that is presented, even if doing so means to re-evaluate their positions, and both can decide to abandon their positions and support Agnosticism as the most reasonable position to hold on The Question, if they so choose to.

As far as I am concerned, giving agnosticism more meaning than it is due is just another way of trying to sneak woo in through the back door.

Of course. You are an atheist and so it would be expected that you would have this suspicion. That would place you in the "Strong Atheist" subset.

I give Agnosticism no more meaning than it deserves and is honestly appropriate to give it.

William: I have since decided that the agnostic position has for so long being misrepresented that atheists and theists nowadays think of it as simply weak-atheists fence-sitting. The misrepresentation has become part of the fabric of institution and might as well be abandoned rather than trying to fix the misrepresentation.

GM: Ask...
Despite all the dangers, Hess lands safely
Well defined yet scantily supported opinion
Golden nugget of truth
One Free Miracle
Self
What Does It Mean
Lucifer
Counteracted
Umwelt
Mind Body Spirit
Unworthiness
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William: FTL;
Atheist: If natural/material is the default hypothesis, and there is no good evidence for a cosmic mind, the logic is that there is no reason to see it as a credible hypothesis, let alone believe in it.

William: As the thread title say's. "The mind as evidence of god"

My position re "Do we exist within a creation?" {implying GOD] is that the ultimate position would be GOD, [if we do exist within a creation] and since I do not know if GOD exists or not, [or that we do exist within a creation], making such statements as you have done implying an established truth - is not something I can do from my Natural-Neutral position.

GM: Hand In Hand
Humility
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Maxwell's demon

William: FTL;
William:Also it is apparent to me that ones 'mind' is vaster than we are led to believe...and that there are many levels of consciousness beyond our own, and that we are all connected mindfully in ways which we do not easily comprehend.
This system I am using can help the individual connect with the larger reality of the over-mind.

GM: Shrug
True Self
Speak
Nervous
The Feminine Face of God
Jump To Conclusions
Propitious [giving or indicating a good chance of success; favourable.]
Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that.
How about that
Tell Your Story
Angelic Agenda


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If you read what is taking place and try and put yourself in Adam's place, then perhaps because you and I would cast blame off of ourselves, doesn't mean that this is the correct way to understand what we read in the scriptures. The scriptures do not record whatever has entered into the minds of men to speak, but they spoke as they were moved to speak and God recorded exactly that which he wanted to place within his word. This is why ALL of scripture is God breathed, meaning it came from the mouth of God.

That is debatable as "God-Breathed" could simply be referring to someone being inspired by their subjective relationship with a great mind they think of through the limitation of their own mind, and thus express imagery through the belief filters of their own minds.

This would signify that what anyone writes about such relationship their telling of it will be tainted with misunderstanding - especially if they themselves had the need to make their invisible friend more visible with dress-ups.

All theistic stories about the gods are more ancient than the discovery of writting, even as ancient as humans learning how to control fire - so this word was breathed through a different medium and kept alive and along with that natural process - many filters of human interaction with IT would have distorted the nature of the Thing that IT - fundamental - was/is - as if IT speaks for ITSelf through the prisms of human minds - as if IT would appear to be happy with what IT is being dressed up in...but how do we know, because to claim IT is happy with the arrangements, is dressing it up to look like that might be the case...

Is IT "God-Breathing" because it does not KNOW what IT is, and that is what the Tetragrammaton represents? [I AM "Whatever you want me to be"]

On one level, sure! Why not?

But on other levels, perhaps IT knows exactly what IT is and is open to the possibility that Individual Human Beings might possibly cease trying to dress IT up and cease believing in the stories which dressed IT up and start paying attention...

First - one has to be aware that we exist within a creation and discover the way which will show one that this is most likely the case.
Second - after First - one has to figure out the best ways in which one can assist the Creator in transmitting ITs "Word" on ITSelf even if that means IT has to undress and get naked so as we can get a better look at what IT is we aren't seeing....

First Things First
[Closer to The Source
Who woulda thought!]

If one continues to view GOD through the dressings of a book, then the focus/worship is on the costume and not what resides underneath the costume...one will never get to first base going in that direction...

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190822 [Keeping Things In Perspective]

SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle
Assuming a Creator of this world exists, in what way is said Creator hidden from us? - Solving Mathematical Problems - The Round Stone - Dungeons and Dragons Exploring Fractal Paths Something you cannot change Masks God's Love Direction - Look For the Significance -
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AP= Trick Done and Dusted
[Trick Done and Dusted = 191]

[191]
[The Nature of Angels
Cleaning Up The Mess
The devil you say
Getting off the hook
The One We Cannot See
Living in Alignment
Getting unstuck
Personal growth
A Game Rule was broken
...next level stuff...
Astral As busy as a bee
Cart before the Horse
Trick Done and Dusted]

RSP = SCLx4 [461 Pages] RSPages 391 222 06

08:02 [Penetrate The Bidden Zone]
[Page 391]

GM:
"Families
Lurking Like Shadows
Unexplained Light Source"

William: Families Lurking Like Shadows Unexplained Light Source = 554
Five Five Four = 144
William Cleaning
Textnum code
Inspiration
Real friendship
Rationality
Strange Desire
Expression
Astral Pulse
Serendipity
Ten Insights
Look Closely
Tremulous
Synesthesia
Multiverse
That's a good one
Up to scratch
Transponder
Six One Two
One One One Nine
Five Five Four


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Everything begins with will and from that we then use creativity to go from will to execution.

To my mind, everything does not start with will at all, but with the mechanism which enables will to become - in the case of our recognised will - from Human consciousness.

Everything to do with human will, begins with human consciousness.

Therefore, will is a function of that which everything [to do with human function] begins with first having consciousness...will derives from consciousness and cannot be considered to be the source of everything to do with human expression.

Will, is an expression of consciousness. It was not will which created consciousness but consciousness which created will.

GM: As one does from time to time...
Elude Tabula Rasa
A grateful heart Open your chakras Development/Growth
Yes, I Hear You
The Nature of Angels
Making friends with your mind
The Philosopher's Stone
"Separate
Selfishness
Shining"

William: Separate Selfishness Shining = 300
[300]
In The Mirror - Mirror Sense
One Who Does Not Believe In Gods
Walk The Talk In Love Logophile
Separate Selfishness Shining

GM: "Metamorphosis
The Need Determines the Value
Dimensional Crossovers
Faithful"
Encounters

William: Metamorphosis The Need Determines the Value Dimensional Crossovers Faithful = 789
[789]
Why it is wrong is that it does not serve reality to see it as disorderly
Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence Presumed outcome
Metamorphosis The Need Determines the Value Dimensional Crossovers Faithful

William: "Metamorphosis The Need Determines the Value Dimensional Crossovers Faithful" Encounters = 923
Is there a way in which one can test the hypothesis and in doing so, elevate it to an accepted theory? = 923

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William: FTL;
The Bible in many many places speaks of God's "will" as the thing that acts, that can act, God can do as he pleases - literally meaning God has free will.

The biblical GOD [God/YHWH] is one of position. Just because the bible speaks of a God that acts does not literally mean he does as he pleases or has free will.

What the position means is that he can act in a far more impressive manner than those in lesser position are able to.

To be able to act in a 'far more impressive manner' does not itself provide the evidence that the one acting, is doing so from a fundamental position of free will - of having free will.

One has to operate within the parameters of the system one is operating in.

Remember the biblical story of the flood? We do not need to believe it is a true story or not to understand that the GOD can do as he pleases, even that he is not pleased to have to be doing it.

Therefore, being able to act as one pleases - subject to the set laws of the system one is acting within - does not mean that this is evidence of free will in action.

GM: It's Still Not Clear To Me
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[Bob Dylan - Death Is Not the End]
Secret Root
The Ghost Agenda [Note: Narration Video for this GM ends here.]
That'll Be The Day
Militant Messiah
Hallucinations
“If you say so…” No. Even if I did not say so.
Core emotion
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“Three worlds and three deep mysteries”
The Explanatory Gap
Intuition
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William: FTL;
More than 2 millennia later, I was also contemplating the nature of the soul, as my son lay propped up on a hospital gurney. He was undertaking an electroencephalogram (EEG), a test that detects electrical activity in the brain, for a condition that fortunately turned out to be benign. As I watched the irregular wavy lines march across the screen, with spikes provoked by his perceptions of events such as the banging of a door, I wondered at the nature of the consciousness that generated those signals.

GM: Black Tuesday
Angels
The Patupaiarehe
Fecund [producing or capable of producing an abundance of offspring of new ideas or new growth; highly fertile]
Foresee/Foresight
Catching up
Cats Whiskers.
Once Upon a Time

08:46 [Tell Your Story]
 

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200822 [Nature being the very instigator]
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07:49 [How stories are created...]

GM: Intransigent [unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something.]
Love Takes One For The Team

William: Intransigent Love Takes One For The Team = 405
The duty is worthy of one’s compliance. = 405

GM: If someone were to declare that the Universe was a random mindless accident of an event, then they are saying that its existence is a 'truly random event'.
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William: FTL;
The Barbarian: You're thinking maybe of something like Gerald Aardsma's "virtual history", the idea that all of pre-Adamic history is a sort of backstory that God wrote to provide background or something?

William: I haven't read anything from that author - The backstory is certainly there re evidence of the dinosaur - although it is obviously a story in itself pre-dating the advent of the human instrument -

The Barbarian: The serpent thing is kinda interesting. Serpents in ancient mesopotamia were symbols of wisdom, immortality, and health. It was a serpent who stole immortality from Gilgamesh. So Abraham's people would get the serpent readily. A wily trickster, up to mischief. But then, there was Nehushtan, the brazen serpent made by Moses according to God's instruction to heal those who gazed on it.

William: It is interesting that a brazen image was created under the instruction of Moses' God and used in that manner.

Nehushtan = 110 [SOURCE] which is a number mentioned three days ago, in another thread...Post #8

I am questioning the reason the Serpent was part of The Garden Story which is focused upon involving the creation of the Human instrument.
The Serpent was attributed with abilities which no member of the lizard-specie has been seen to have - and the connection I am wondering about is specifically with the Great Lizards which thrived on the planet long before the formation of the human instrument.

It is interesting and begs the question as to why - specifically - the antagonist of said story is reptilian.

Add to that - we also have information from the Conspiracy sector which insists that a Reptilian race [Specifically referred to as Annunaki - Mesopotamian pantheon] who had something to do with the creation of the human instrument, and that these reptilians rule the nest {Earth} and control Human beings through influential means, behind the scenes.

Which - of course - fits in with the biblical idea of Satan being 'cast from Heaven to rule the Earth'

Often the Reptilian race is portrayed as extraterrestrial/interdimensional but why would that have to be the case, since we know that The Age of The Reptile on this very planet was an immensely long period of time, especially when compared with the age of The Great Ape - so plenty of time therein to evolve into a highly technological specie possessing apparently god-like powers...

GM: Under the breath words
That Is Sad But Don't Let It Distract You
When our progressive movements are strong, they lead toward an exciting, irresistible vision for the future where all of us thrive
The Hologram of Deception
Tied To The Moon

William: The Hologram of Deception Tied To The Moon = 397
[397]
Sober journey into self-realization
The Natural-Neutral Default Position
The Hologram of Deception Tied To The Moon


GM: Trying to change the world fails for one simple and unavoidable reason...“everyone else.”
The Theory of Everything
Solar System
How stories are created...
Big Gaps In Logic
:)
Reality:
"Talk to The Razor"

William: Reality: "Talk to The Razor" = 280
[280]
Side Splittingly Funny
Nothing more, nothing less.
The wisdom of insecurity
Sail away among your dreams
Reality: "Talk to The Razor"

GM: Fearlessness
Enough To Make Me Wonder
"Name The Gods as non-separate Entities
Be kind to yourself"

William: Be kind to yourself ... Name The Gods as non-separate Entities = 561
[561]
The Wisdom of Foresight; "Go slow When One is Feeling Tired”
Individual Actions Proceed with causation, cautiously...
Name The Gods as non-separate Entities...Be kind to yourself

GM: The Alien Disc crop circle
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[14 Year Old Crosses Over; Gets Taught about Negative Thoughts During NDE]
Validate
The Sub Hierarchy
Consciousness

William: NDEs Validate The Sub Hierarchy Consciousness = 461
[461]
A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
The Antichrist is...a bad attitude against a good thing
Like how a meteorite caused an extinction event
The path to enlightenment Potential of Milieu
NDEs Validate The Sub Hierarchy Consciousness


GM: Mathematical Problems
"Freeing the soul
We go through together
Research into the Phenomenology of the Self
Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions
Chamber Of Self"

William: Freeing the soul We go through together Research into the Phenomenology of the Self Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions Chamber Of Self = 1373
[One Three Seven Three = 211]
[211]
The Alien Disc crop circle
Show Your Soul
"Provincial Thinking
You Interrupted"
You are not wrong
The Law of Attraction
Active Galactic Nucleus
The Gist of The Message
YHWH made it imperfect
One Three Seven Three

GM: The truth of objective reality as experienced subjectively.
Honest attempts at scrubbing up
You are neutral
Curious
Real Beauty
Other way
Map Carvers
Eloah [mighty. Powerful personality]
08:27 [Soul Carrier Memories
Universal Intelligence
Cyborg Anthropology
Copper wire and glass beads
Strength is required
One's Thoughts I Will]
 

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William: I myself prefer the thrill of seeing Mother Earth as She truly is - some demonic-like entity who has been manifesting Her particular projections out into that which She is awakening to - slowly and surely... and in the process, I hope to witness therein a transformation of a demon-like entity into a god-like entity...and be a part of that rather than dressing it up n too much fluff that I distort things far too impractically.
Just how much is 'too much' is up to the individual...
I am unconvinced that we can choose to ignore or that there are any alternative paths.
In what way must the Earth Entity transform in relation to the rest of the Universe She and Her Children are within?
The "waking function" involves the acceptance of what is and adapting to that. How does "God" provide this?
This - of course - is subject to projection.
We can understand that 'subduing nature' may involve taming it...clearing the jungle while planting the forest...
Nature comes from a dark place as can be identified in its forms and their functions.
The Earth Entity can rightly be referred to as a "God" due to Her creative abilities and intelligence quota.
Yet, there is an underlying symbiotic reach to become 'better' which tends toward a manifested materialism prompted by a variety of pathway's all heading in the same direction.
n that sense, it can be argued that while it can be agreed the Earth Entity is a God - it is something of a "God in the making" - a consciousness fine-tuning its God-like abilities toward that goal of becoming "God-Like" similar to a child maturing into an adult...
Clearly "God and the Bible" are not examples of any complete - adult - GOD as we can identify aspects of the biblical idea(s) of GOD as being immature...like a brilliant Child who still has much to learn about itself and its surroundings - even that it knows more about those things than Humans do.
This is why I think that Religions [no matter the paths] are all attempts of The Earth Entity to connect with and to direct Humanity.

YHWH is one of the Names the Earth Entity uses for this purpose.

What is occurring is that humanity is being heavily influenced by The Earth Entity, in a variety of ways - not just through the path of Christianity.

And what is it we are being 'saved' to and from?

My overall answer to that question is "Saved from our incomplete selves to our completed selves" and this process takes a number of steps, this Experiential Reality being one such step.

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Theophile: I don't think this idea is inconsistent with the bible or biblical God. For example, God is not the creator of Mother Earth in the bible. Mother Earth is her own thing / an active and independent character in creation and the broader narrative. God is simply a spirit that calls upon her in the beginning ('her' being tehom / the deep). Anything else that comes of this, it is either of her alone or her partnership with God. i.e., it is all the result of 'watery-earthly' beings from the deep participating in the Spirit / God's Word. Bringing forth things like light, dry land, vegetation, etc. All things geared towards life in this world.

Union with the Spirit is the path to making the transition that you speak of. Where all things are God and God at last is in all things.
We seem perfectly able to drive Mother Earth into the ground should we chose to. We currently are, aren't we? Similarly we can be transformation agents working from within (which is our biblical calling). So seems to me there are alternative paths.

You said it first: it (and those within it) must become God. That is a transformation, no? But I would go further and say the whole universe needs to transform in this respect to reach the end. In terms of what that transformation consists of, it's essentially what I said somewhere before: affirming life above all else. Always doing what is in the interest of life, so that all life can be in this world, and the world is filled with life of every kind.


No, it's an awakening to something much greater than this I think. It's more about waking us up to purpose and path. You can't just keep calling that fluff and boil everything down to cold terms like 'accept' and 'adapt'. i.e., instead of just 'accepting', we should set ourselves real purpose in this world, and instead of 'adapting', we should proactively shape the path to fulfilling that intention.

In terms of how God provides this waking function, it's nothing special really. Per previous comment, God's essential being is spirit, which is tantamount to words in our ears, or ideas, which have the ability to wake us up. That is to say, while I think God can be much more than this, God is not necessarily anything more than what you could call pure intention. i.e., something that has no real physical (/earthly) being at all, but that can nevertheless speak to us, call us to greater purpose, and motivate our action.

In other words, as with all other spirits which can have similar effect (like the spirit of capitalism for example), God can awaken Mother Earth, but the forcing function behind that call will always be Mother Earth and/or those who make her up.

What does 'better' mean? You may call my view fluff, but I feel like your view needs more positive content than becoming 'god-like' (and apologies if you provided before). If it's in your notion of a 'manifested materialism,' what do you mean by that?
Also, what is the basis for saying the whole thing 'tends toward' a certain direction? Not sure if Mother Earth tends towards anything on her own frankly. All the life on earth for instance can be wiped out in a dash and the whole universe for all we know is tending towards nothing. i.e., a vast, empty space.

All that said, when I read the above, I get a sense of what I would call common grace (co-opting a theological term for my own purposes). By which I mean, the bible certainly doesn't have a monopoly on truth, and to your point, a variety of pathways may point us in the same direction. But whether we go that direction or not depends on us. Not some abstract Earth Entity or even God.
Does this Earth Entity have intention? I get the sense from what you say that you think it does, and we should just shut-up and do what it says. In terms of salvation, I would say it is more simply from death to life. Or, along the lines you're going, from death to even greater life than we ever knew before.
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Dilatory [slow to act. intended to cause delay.] - True happiness - In an environment which is able to perceive this. - Clinging onto the wake of the fundamental...wanting to be part of it forever. - It's a fish eats fish world...going landy doesn't change the fact that things are fleeing from things which are fleeing and as nature would have it, how is this more immoral than funny? - The Library of Babel -
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- Deactivate the suppression matrix influence upon oneself - Higher Self Dream Guide - Ingenuity - First Things First

FTL;
Theism - by nature - is the human consciousness within the animal, reaching out to other possible conclusions regarding the human situation.

Most NDE stories have a shared thread through the telling. NDEs have likely been around as long as human beings and probably factor in a good percentage of why theistic thinking evolved alongside human development and understanding of the self.

What most folk tend to experience with NDE has to do with observing their bodies from another perspective and in that, the body is seen objectively and not identified by the person as being who they are.

NDEs often allow for a person to understand themselves as something other than the body - a difficult thing to achieve from the perspective of consistently experiencing life from the perspective of being the body, which is why folk tend to self-identify as the body - especially those who believe that their consciousness is an emergent property of the brain and have never experienced anything else which might go a long way in convincing them otherwise.

There is no doubt that the human body is biological and in the animal class as per human categorizations.

But there is doubt as to whether such is the true nature of human consciousness, or for that matter, that animal consciousness in general is truly/only animal in character.

Tying that in with the OPQ...is the Biblical God's conduct of breathing life into [making conscious] the human animal form, something which requires blame?

To me, it seems to boil down [yet again] to the mirror-mirror mentality. If we attribute evil to nature, then the one who created nature can only be seen as evil. Same goes for good.
Since, generally, folk appear to attribute both good and evil as aspects of nature, we are confronted with the peculiarity of apparent contradiction, which isn't helpful.

It does appear that most folk cannot get their heads around it.

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AP= Mantra "I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me."
[Mantra "I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me." = 1076]

[One Zero Seven Six = 215]
[215]
Without Judgement
Freedom in The Knowing
I will leave that there
Tired of the Nonsense
Thoughts and Forts
Staying up all night
Batten down the hatches
What matters most
Sad Room to Explore
Beyond Belief Recovery
One Zero Seven Six


RSP = SCLx6 RS Page 222 444 666

10:26 [Theist mischief making]
Page 222
GM:
"Tell me what you’re ganna do tell me where you’re ganna go tell me what you’re going through or do you even want to know?"
"One Day"
[Christian mythology re God]

William: "One Day" [Christian mythology re God] = 354
[354]
One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known
Break through to your true self
Living Forever In this Universe
To establish the skills necessary
They just add ambiance to the spooky...
Rationality Central to The Message
"Sorry. Would you clarify that?"
All present and correct Heart Teachers
"One Day" [Christian mythology re God]


GM: The Home Of The...
"Is quite congruous with Jung's ideas centering around individuation."
As Well As That
"Noticing Synchronicity
The Ghost
To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness - We don't know enough to close any door and leave those rooms unexplored...
Challenge
Sensing connections through subconscious means"

William: Noticing Synchronicity The Ghost To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness - We don't know enough to close any door and leave those rooms unexplored... Challenge Sensing connections through subconscious means = 2430
[Two Four Three Zero = 238]
[238]
Secret Organizations
New Shifts In Thinking
Infinite Quantum Zen
A completely new paradigm
Beings posted to planet
Ones core expression
I am not here to pick sides
Spiritual bypassing
Two Four Three Zero

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William: FTL;
William: We know that if we stand on the moon, and look at the planet, there is no immediate evidence of the planet being an intelligent entity, producing myriad forms of intelligent life.

brunumb: Probably because the planet is not intelligent entity.

William: Positive statements imply a claim is being made. Do you have any evidence to support the claim that the planet is not an intelligent entity?

It is when we get closer to it - and find life and examine life and see the intelligence therein, that we can return to the moon and observe an intelligent planet. Not because it looks any different from the way it did when we first observed it from the moon - but rather - because we accumulated a lot of information about it through closer examination, and the effect of that data in that interim, changed our original perceptions of the Earth.

brunumb: But those changes to our original perceptions of the Earth do not lead to the conclusion that it is an intelligent entity.

William: No they do not, and I don't understand where it is you think I am saying this is the case.
What it leads to is that the possibility that one equals the other, allows for the possibility that it is, and therefore, information regarding the possibility remains relevant to the position of Agnosticism.
That door remains open to further investigation.
That idea remains on the table.

brunumb: Sure, there are intelligent species everywhere but no compelling reason to conclude that intelligence extends beyond those species. Unless, of course, one is predisposed to leaping to unwarranted conclusions or applying some sort of confirmation bias.

William: The sort of confirmation bias which Agnosticism avoids are those which develop within the positions of Theism and Atheism.

The "unwarranted conclusion" in this case, would be to view the obvious intelligence being displayed, as "not really a display of intelligence." but "something else" such as "The planet isn't really an intelligent entity, but is simply unconsciously responding to the stimulus of its environment."

GM: Glow Softly
Strengthen your boundaries
One can simply shrug and tell oneself “It doesn't really matter"

William: Glow Softly Strengthen your boundaries One can simply shrug and tell oneself “It doesn't really matter" = 1090
[One Zero Nine Zero = 204]
[204]
The Language of Innocence
An Elemental Principle
Attention to Detail
Perceived obsolescence
The voice of knowledge
Handing out sweets...
One Seventy Four
Approaching the Divine
The "Oh My God" Particle
Concomitant [a phenomenon that naturally accompanies or follows something.] Power
Do It Monoatomic Gold
One Zero Nine Zero

GM: Intransigent [unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something.]
Taxonomic [concerned with the classification of things, especially organisms.]
"An inappropriate analogy
Decisive"

William: Intransigent Decisive An inappropriate analogy Taxonomic = 588
Is the universe the ongoing product of an intelligent mind? = 588

GM: "Crop Circles
Simple"

William: Simple Crop Circles = 195
[195]
The Eternal Truth
The Gaia Hypothesis
The corporate elite
The tribe has spoken
More data more evidence
The Clear Eye Of Soul
Connecting the dots
Love is the answer
Simple Crop Circles

GM: "Dream Cake
Foundation
Jacque Fresco
Crafted"

William: Jacque Fresco Foundation Crafted Dream Cake = 360
[360]
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are
Where are we getting our news from?
The relevant scientific community
A projection of one’s subconscious
Placing aside the childish not the childlike
Jacque Fresco Foundation Crafted Dream Cake

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Compassionist: The Bible is full of contradictions and inaccuracies. How can I possibly rely on the Bible to give me facts about reality?

William: The bible is just one of many theist books and in that, the contradictions are about individual authors relaying their ideas based upon their particular beliefs, which - combined - are what produce the contradictions. Like with all theistic writings, it is wise to take the stories on the understanding that the individuals are relaying their experiences as the experiences were created through their beliefs and in correlation with their personal attitudes etc...it is unwise to think of such as reliable source re 'facts about reality' - as to do so means one is having to believe and in that, shaping ones beliefs and attitudes and [should there be more to experience after the death of the body] those beliefs and attitudes will have an effect on what it is the individual will create and experience for themselves.

My perspective [re logic] is that it is better to be somewhat prepared for the possibility that there is more to experience after the death of the body, than to believe that there will be nothing more to experience and be way less prepared as a consequence.

If I am wrong, then 'no problem' but if I am right, then 'no problem'... ;)

GM: Mindfulness
And That's Not All
Intent
Divine masculine
That is the truth.
"What Fun We Have!
Hilary [you know who you are]
Up to scratch"
"Opening Doors
Where minds meet is where GOD is found
Use Heart
Awake Relationship Unity [Clean]"
[Belief Helps Cause Separation]
A Mathematical Theory of Communication
Fearless

William: A Mathematical Theory of Communication Fearless = 454
[454]
The Individuals Relationship With The Father
Opening ourselves to real love and intimacy
Otherwise, hell nor high water can change one’s mind.
"What we resist, persists " Your Dream Team
A Mathematical Theory of Communication Fearless

GM: TBC...

10:55 [ Crop formations
Under question
In William’s Room
Whatever you do
Through Others
The Wider Reality
Aye...A name I call myself.
Synchronicity
Went To The Devil
Guitar and Ukulele
Mirror-Mirror
In Out and All About
One Two Three One
One Zero Five Five]
 

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09:52 [Looking behind the veil]

Page 444
GM:
"Control
Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision.
A Bit Of Cat And Mouse"

William: Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision. A Bit Of Cat And Mouse Control = 876
Transparent Enlightenment Relationship True Colors On all fronts No axe to grind... = 876

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William: ...not only has Infinite Regression being shown to be possible, [in contradiction to the OP claim] but this in itself - most clearly - does not signify that GOD mustn't exist.

Contrary to the OP title declaration " God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible" the more logical approach is "Infinite Regression Exists: GOD is Possible" [:='therefore']

also:
I think the problem is in the idea of ex nihilo and then associating that with a creator-mind which has always existed and did not come from nothing.

The thing about any creation is that it comes from something, but the idea that a creator has always existed and thus doesn't come from nothing is hard to get ones head around.

But if we accept that the universe didn't come from nothing but came from something, then at least potentially the universe has existed - at least as an idea - within that something for as long as that something has existed - and in this case - the idea has always existed.

Thus, an idea which is acted upon [made to happen] and resulted in this unfolding universe, cannot be said truthfully to have 'come from nothing'.

Therefore, there is no need to proclaim a supernatural event to what is simply an idea put into action.

This means that matter as we understand it, comes from an idea, which is then expressed and when experienced - gives anyone experiencing it from within it, the impression of a solid and real thing.

It may have the appearance of being 'supernatural' if one considers it as the product of a "Cosmic Mind" [God et al] but the thought of a god can be viewed as natural as the thing which the god-thought created, if the thought is not separated from the one who is thinking the thought.

Un-thought-unately some religions have chosen to define the creator as separate from the creation - by deciding that the experience is so real-like that it MUST indeed, be real, without noting that any thought from a creator god can be experienced as real.

It gives rise to a lot of speculative mythology unsuccessfully attempting to make the dots all connect.

Problems therefore arise - and questions such as these get asked.

Nothing comes from nothing - everything which can be seen to have a beginning comes from something.

GM: "The Four Human Power Houses
Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence
How A Beautiful Song Source Reality
Exhibits"

William: The Four Human Power Houses Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence How A Beautiful Song Source Reality Exhibits
[One Two Zero Four = 216]
[216]
The twelve disciples
The crabwood cropcircle
Sexual Encounters
The Power Of Creation
GOD became Gods and Goddesses.
It is all information
Alike as two peas in a pod
Two Thirty Two
Group Hallucination
Zero Nine Two Six
One Two Zero Four

GM: Un-thought-unately = 232
[232]
For The Best Results
Functional Clusters
Intelligent Awareness
Enough To Make Me Wonder
More precious than life
Error Correcting Codes
Hyper-normalisation
The Future is Cloudy
The Clear Light of The Void
Look from a different angle
Ruling your world
Nineteen Sixty Eight
Chronological snobbery
Un-thought-unately


William: Two Three Two = 172
[172]
Williams songs
William and QueenBee
Final Destination
Dualic Energies Weak
In the back of my mind
Self-realization
Dogmatic attitude
Calling the shots
Steady as she goes....
Active Imagination
Strength of Mind
Radical compassion
Expansiveness
The age of word-games
Sola Scriptura
Militant messiah
Biblical Prophesy
Two Three Two
Four Six Four
Seven Five Seven

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William: FTL; [shortly after RTS]
The basic repertoire of mystic experience is drawn from the repertoire of Death Phenomena

GM: "Anti theism
Joke/Humour
Equals
"And?""

William: Joke/Humour "Anti theism Equals "And?"" = 349
[349]
My alarm bells are ringing right now.
"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"
Stepping out of the construct
It can be crazy and true at the same time
Our neutral ground - Look closer
[William floats back into The Shadows...]
Howled at by the Hounds of Judgement
Joke/Humour "Anti theism Equals "And?""

GM: The Single Word List
Nurture

William: Nurture = 117
[117]
You Will
Duty Calls
Imperishable
Lots More
Nurture
Imaginal cells
Memorandum
Stochastic
The Father God
Ancient Demon
Humility
Toxic shame
The Daughter
Unexpected
Vitriolic
Projecting
The Realist:


GM: Wife

William: Wife = 43
[43]
Cats
Choice
Hot
As In…
Wife


GM: Miracle

William: Miracle = 61
Asking
Google
Wow!
Trick
Humble
Dream Cake
Sins
Miracle

[11:03] [...Think it through...]

220822 [Inside the workings of intelligence]
cont...

GM: Square

William: Square = 81
[81]
Far Out!
Shucks!
Explain
Acid test
Elephant

GM: and Compass

William: Compass = 86
[86]
Love Life
Pyramid
Being Born
Respect
Tricky
Symbol
Compass
An Elder Race
Stone Age
Integral
...of said agenda...
Enmity


William: Square and Compass = 186
[186]
Let yourself be led
Square and Compass
A Major Lotto win
Individual Actions
The Perfect Moment
The external voice
Meaningful coincidence
Enjoy Progress
Two Zero Zero
The Unconscious

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William: The cart follows after the horse.

In the same way;
The question of GOD follows after the question "Do we exist within a creation?"

It is not as theism would have it, that "There is a GOD, therefore we exist within a creation"

Rather, it first has to be established that we exist within a creation before the focus can be placed on the Creator {GOD} question. The GOD question is the cart.

GM: There is no need to proclaim a supernatural event to what is simply an idea put into action.
The Great White Brotherhood
...
Steady as She goes...
"Enflame Emotions
Oops.....
Always"

William: Enflame Emotions "Oops"..... Always = 312

[312]
Like an interface representation
What can I say, except "Thank You"
Enflame Emotions "Oops"..... Always

GM: "Self-talk
Root of all evil"

William: Self-talk Root of all evil = 248
[248]
The power of humility
Brother, where Art Thou?
The Nervous System
High the memory carry on
Five interlocking circles
Make It Up as You Go Along
Live with Soul Union
Self-talk Root of all evil
Large Simulation Machines
Accidentally on purpose
An inappropriate analogy
Everything is unique

GM: A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another...
Presence Telepathy
"Zero" must have to represent something which does exist but is largely unseen - and "Consciousness" fits that description.
Such is a handy device for side-stepping - nothing more.

William: A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another...Such is a handy device for side-stepping - nothing more. = 1428
[One Four Two Eight = 201]
[201]
Stay in the moment
Sir Roger Penrose
Be kind to yourself
The space Jacko lantern
One Four Two Eight
The lightest planet
Sweet Vibrations
Walk The Talk In Love
To Be Sovereignty
Flowers for Lindy
Positive self-talk

GM: The Message Generator Process
Extend Beyond The Borders of Institution

William: The Message Generator Process Extends Beyond The Borders of Institution = 761
[Seven Six One = 151]
[151]
Meat For The Table
Unconditional
Seven Six One
Yes…I Hear You
Individuation
Jesus Christ
Talking the talk
Schizophrenia
Five Eight Four
That is the Key.
Data of Experience
Once Upon a Time
Pure spirit
Perpetually
Hidden Treasure

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Radical Self-Acceptance - Green Light - Attitude - The art of relationship - "Motor Man why your running, running on overdrive what lies ahead is coming ain’t no way you can step aside ain’t no way you can run and hide" - Intention - Lyricus - Deep Impact Event

GM: Live with Soul Union
Atman
The practice of vipassana
Taking root Looking After Poor People
Intransigence [refusal to change one's views or to agree about something.]

William: Poor Intransigence People = 271
[271]
Communication Techniques
It is immediate, even visceral
Purple Knight and Dragon Child
Experience is the best teacher
Either Authored or Orphaned
Poor Intransigence People

07:09 [Penetrate The Bidden Zone]
 

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05:00 [The Ghost is acknowledged ]
Page 666

GM:
Get To Know It

William: Penetrate The Bidden Zone The Ghost is acknowledged Get To Know It = 628
Grand Experiment “Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all” = 628

GM: Process
"Infinitely Infinitesimal"

William:
Infinite is an antonym of infinitesimal. Infinitesimal is an antonym of infinite.
In context|mathematics|lang=en terms the difference between infinitesimal and infinite is that infinitesimal is (mathematics) a non-zero quantity whose magnitude is smaller than any positive number (by definition it is not a real number) while infinite is (mathematics) greater than any positive quantity or magnitude; limitless.

As adjectives the difference between infinitesimal and infinite is that infinitesimal is incalculably, exceedingly, or immeasurably minute; vanishingly small while infinite is indefinably large, countlessly great; immense.

As a noun infinitesimal is (mathematics) a non-zero quantity whose magnitude is smaller than any positive number (by definition it is not a real number).

As a numeral infinite is infinitely many.
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GM: "Do we exist in a creation?"
Left -brain Right brain Whole brain
The Spirit of The Land
The Human Form as a Means to an End
I see the light I see the Light I see the light now I start again upon the road that never ends
[GOD is not an elitist.]
A lack of boundaries
Knowledge Speaks, Wisdom Hears
Counsel
Self-acceptance
Advice
"An individuals consciousness is more than what they are consciously aware of."
Sister Saturn
That can be shoved back into whatever hole it came from
The Jellyfish Image
A Politically Manufactured Device
Awaken
Radiance
Syncope
Small Elemental Powers
Shoe
The ride is wild
Training the mind
Each
Elude Tabula Rasa
Mixture
Observing
Communicating with Consciousness - The Nature of The Mind
The Purpose Of Life Is...
What Is Friendship

William: Communicating with Consciousness - The Nature of The Mind The Purpose Of Life Is... What Is Friendship = 995
[Nine Nine Five = 126]
GM:

[126]
The Body of God
Be-Live Examine
Shift Focus
Numinous [having a strong religious or spiritual quality; indicating or suggesting the presence of a divinity.]
Lock the door
Completely
Mother of God
Returning
Rotundum
Reflections
Learn By Doing
Important
Interactive
Truthful
Not Wrong
All That We Are.
Desperation

GM: Nefarious [(typically of an action or activity) wicked or criminal.]
Black
The Existence of Ability to Interact With The Imagination
The Eigengrau Mind Screen
Word2Number Calculator
Elementary Conclusion
I am on a Madventure
To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious

05:17 [The Same Information
Unconditional Love
Welcome all experience
Afraid of The Unknown
We oppose deception
All fingers and thumbs
Zero Five One Seven
The Last Question
YHVH in particular
The objective standard]
 

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Theist: Self-causation is illogical and, therefore, not possible.

Atheist: Yet you require no illogical tag when you propose an uncaused god we can't observe as the cause of a universe we do observe.
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:evil: ______________ :-k ________________ O:)
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:-k : As we should already agree together, since for the present, science informs us that the universe had a beginning, we have to apply the argument "Self-causation is illogical and, therefore, not possible." to that which has a beginning.

Gods come in all shapes and sizes and there are probably myths about gods who had beginnings and gods who's lives could be ended.

However, there is also the myth of the GOD who had no beginning and in that, is the root-cause of all things which do have beginnings.

Therefore;

As an observer, the theist is correct in this case.
"Self-causation is illogical and, therefore, not possible" does not apply to a GOD who has always existed.

That said, nor would it apply to a universe which has always existed...once the popular beliefs that the universe had a beginning, have been shown [through science of course] to be false...
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230822 [Essentially, we are Gaia in human form...
Hacking through the subconscious
"Off you go to your quarters"
Precise definitions of strategies]

SCLx10 + select last LE per shuffle
Plasma Wakefield Acceleration - Mother Earth Harmony ~ - The Taming of The Beast The elephant in the room - Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all” - Grand Experiment - All fingers and thumbs -
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Logophile [a lover of words.]

FTL;
We_Are_VENOM: As long as you are clear that you are not trying to inject some belief in some idea of GOD, we can agree that it is not the best way forward re the OP.

William: The argument is for a Cosmic Designer.
I simply refer to It as The Cosmic Mind - no imagery attached...although I have said in passing that 'if It had form, It would resemble a Jellyfish - that is just me squinting at the information I am accessing and correlating...the brain-consciousness seems to like making images...

AP= Integral Prison Planet [=245]

[245]
[Most folk need moderating.
Everything for a reason
Integral Prison Planet
Hints of the unseen, seen.
The Communion Process.
Welcoming the Unwelcome
Your place at the Fireside
The Source of All Creation
Lazy strawman stuff
Raise your frequency
The places that scare you
Invisible pink unicorn
The Eternal Authority
Ultimate expression
We go through together
From First Principles]

RSP = SCLx5 RSPages 245 - 521 - 131

11:37 [The Prime Directive]
Page 245
GM:
Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment.
Shallow
Until ganna be gets here, its all just ganna be forever
Enlightenment

William: Shallow Enlightenment = 236
[236]
Cyborg Anthropology
Soul Carrier Memories
Shallow Enlightenment
Copper wire and glass beads
I am open to being corrected
One's Thoughts I Will
Strength is required
Universal Intelligence

GM: We don't know enough to close any door and leave those rooms unexplored...
Narrow Closed Loop Production
You are not what you think
Acid test
"In The Spirit These Were Given
True randomness does not exist"

William:
[667]
Therein, the universe is shaped mindfully rather than mindlessly
Dark matter is unto light as pretence is to truth... transparent.
True randomness does not exist In The Spirit These Were Given = 667

GM: Source Intelligence and Lyricus facilitate the process throughout the Grand Universe
Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision.
Make It Up AS You Go Along
Something In The Way Of It All
An Objective
The Development of
Group Hallucination

William: The Development of Group Hallucination An Objective = 507
[507]
Is there a center to every object in this universe?
The Butterfly Effect Music to my ears Lean into it
The situation we find ourselves lost within
Everybody wants to rule the world syndrome
It doesn't seem the kind of thing that any GOD would do

GM: The differentiation was still apparent in the Hebrew mind - but not to the point where Satan and God became separate entities.
What matters most
“Life is a succession of lessons which must be lived to be understood”
Resistance to that realization isn't helpful re aligning with it.

William: “Life is a succession of lessons which must be lived to be understood” Resistance to that realization isn't helpful re aligning with it. = 1326
[One Three Two Six = 200]
Your Shell Today…
Spiritual practice
Difficult emotions
One Three Two Six
Chamber Four Painting
The divine, ordinary
The Generated Messages
Emotional wounds
God is The Universe.

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The quicker way to say that is "God" is the "Life" - and more comprehensively, the consciousness which experiences the nature of the Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation [HERS] and learns through said experience of that nature, ways in which to 'make the experience easier' and thus morals evolve through the natural course of nature unfolding re consciousnesses involvement within said nature.

That way, the 'gap' is filled...

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GM: Elementary Conclusion
A belly full of laughs.

William: Elementary Conclusion a belly full of laughs. = 440
[440]
We cannot hinder the process, but we can help it.
Observing the substance of your own mind
Caught in their mischievous false opinions
There is no reality without perception

GM: To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness - We don't know enough to close any door and leave those rooms unexplored...
Ruling your world
Desynchronized
Mind Body Soul

William: Desynchronized Mind Body Soul Ruling your world = 554
Families Lurking Like Shadows Unexplained Light Source = 554

GM: DISCUSSION: Do Gods Need Us?

William: FTL;
Mider: I think the angels who are called gods, their job is to reach out to us and help them get to their level.

William: This is what I am suggesting re the "Personal Genie" [PG] aspect of theistic existence.

Theism exists because the PG is a real actual immaterial entity engaging with this material reality we experience as humans.

At angelic levels of consciousness [PG perspective] there is a slight confusion as to how humans dress them up into imagery and this confusion has led to the Angelic Realm [level of consciousness] lifting its game in conjunction with humans engaging with them in order to help make this possible...the overall result being, that humans too, lift our game.

AP="Angels"
Links And Symbols
Inertia
Unprecedented
Deactivate The Suppression Matrix
The Plateau of The Same Page
The message is clear then...

GM: Dungeons and Dragons Exploring Fractal Paths Something you cannot change Masks God's Love Direction
Constructing some type of reality experience in which I could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Myself
The Sensation Is Thrilling...And Freeing

William: Constructing some type of reality experience in which I could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Myself The Sensation Is Thrilling...And Freeing = 1451

[One Four Five One = 170]
[170]
The Sub Hierarchy
One Four Five One
Philanthropies [the desire to promote the welfare of others, expressed especially by the generous donation of money to good causes.]
The Voice Within
Spiritual path
Myths and Legends
The Number Zero
Reason Together
Information field
Vulnerability
King of the North
The Feminine Face of God
Good on you mate
A Bit Of A Mouthful!
Blue Book Project
Observed by Many

GM: Be mindful
Get out of the way
Children of The Dream
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William: FTL;
The First Aliens | A Brief History of Aliens in Science Fiction
593,526 views Jun 25, 2021 Once, mankind looked up at the night sky, at the stars shining in the black abyss and they called them gods. Eventually, we realized that in actuality our own sun was just like each of those billions of stars out there in the darkness. It only took one leap of thought for someone to ask the question, If each of those stars is suns just like ours, do they have planets just like ours as well? And if they have planets, then could there be life, like us on other worlds?


In my last video, A Brief History of Space Travel in Science Fiction, we discussed Lucians, second-century work, True History, which depicts Lucian's journey through outer space where he encounters alien lifeforms. We also mention Voltaire's 1752 story, MicroMegas, which centers around a giant alien who goes on a journey throughout the universe. The fact that we have a work dating back to the year 300 AD depicting aliens shows that the idea that humans are not alone in the universe is just as ancient as the idea of traveling through space. Cosmic Pluralism is the specific term for what I’m describing here, it is the idea that there are many inhabited worlds beyond ours. Galileo didn’t develop the Heliocentric model of our solar system until the early 17th century, which means humans had been thinking about life in other worlds even before it became clear that the earth revolved around the sun.

GM: Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality
Effectively Curtailed

William: Effectively Curtailed Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality = 557
[557]
It is consciousness behaving as consciousness behaves.
The idea of nothing is non-relevant to the fact of something.
...it is part of the recipe of a full authentic human experience...
Information doesn't only describe nature - it is nature
Laugh in the face of death...and perhaps death laughs along with you...

GM: The English Language
As an answer, "don't know' is incomplete...
Under the watchful eye
Are
All The World
Vortex

William: All The World Are Under the watchful eye = 378
[378]
Personal Participation With The One
Cathedrals crumbled as wars were fought...
The fundamental nature of information

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[05:45] Mother and her two children are shot dead by husband/father: She has a NDE and meets Jesus...
[08:20]...
It was then that I realized that I wasn't dreaming, I was dead
"My Kids!?!" I said, looking at Jesus.
I could tell by the expression he made, that they were gone
"Why? Why did you give them to me only to take them away?" I asked.
"That is what they wanted. They chose this ending for themselves."
"Wait. What do you mean they chose this?"
"Every Soul contracts Itself through My Father.
Earth is not your final destination.
Your final destination is to ultimately rejoin with My Father, after you have learned and experienced life"
Stunned, I said back
"That makes no sense Lord. If every Soul is contracted through Your Father, then that means he allows people like Hitler to exist. Why?"
"My daughter, you are not the first to ask these questions, and you will not be the last. All Souls are born with a blank slate. When a Soul wishes to experience life, they approach My Father, who grants them their wish of experiencing Life."
"Yes, but that means that you allow evil. Why? My Children died to evil. Why was that allowed?"
"The evil perpetrated against your children will not go unpunished. After his Soul has been cleansed he will rejoin My Father."
"What about the Lake of Fire and all that?"
"The Lake of Fire is a metaphor for what those Souls that are deemed evil, will go through. It will feel like an unending fire."
"Why did this have to happen? What did I do that was so wrong to be punished like this?"
"You are not being punished My Daughter. Though it might feel that way and you may experience this loss, it is not punishment. The Souls who were your Children were ready to come home."
"I still don't understand how any of this works!" I screamed.
"My Daughter, one day you will understand."
"So what happens now?"
"It is not your time to rejoin with My Father. You must return to your life and tell others what is to come."
"I don't want to return. I have lost everything. The two people most precious to me have been taken by someone who isn't even going to be punished for eternity. It seems like I am the one who is being punished by having to be sent back."
"My Daughter, just like the Souls of your Loved Ones, you too signed a contract with My Father. Your life experience isn't done."
"Well I want it to be! I don't want to go back without my kids!"
Jesus looked at me, hugged me, leaned forward and gently whispered in what would have been my ear.
"You must return. Do not worry. I will show you what awaits you when you go back...[10:49]
12:10 [ The Number Forty
One Two One Zero
Talk to The Razor
Epigenetic Memories
Hard-nosed skeptics
Open your chakras
One Five Eight Seven
Wishful Thinking
Invite the Bee to Land
Given the second-fiddle.
It Is Our Nature
Shine Your Light
An identified reality
Trust Issues
Use Your Freedom ]
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GM:
Religious beliefs are a many-barbed growth wishing to own the rights on the mind behind creation
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William: FTL;
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Also, not every discussion on this forum is strictly for/against Christianity, like the broad question of whether God exists, or, you know, this thread. In many of those discussions, the distinction between atheism and agnosticism remain important, as you already agreed.

So I don't see a compelling reason in your responses to collapse them together.

From what I think I understand so far, on the question of whether a creator [GOD] exists, a person who say's "maybe-maybe not" is categorized as a "weak atheist" by atheists, due to the not knowing and not having faith so not believing.

It is a simple matter of belief, because if there is a Creator GOD - there is no direct way of knowing and there is no sure way of showing any indirect way if there is or not.

The term "weak atheist" appears to be derogatory in relation to being a strong atheist, who appear to be those who have taken the step into believing that a Creator GOD does not exist, and expressing that belief into the community.

I think that perhaps some agnostics have a problem with accepting the term "weak" as it implies they are apathetic, indifferent, [stuff like that] and those ones at least are making efforts to examine the question and have not reached a point where they feel they can honestly make a choice either way.

I have also observed that many ex- theists who have chosen to become [proselyte] strong atheists are among the most outspoken in their zeal to preach their new message - the message that a Creator GOD does not exist and think it is reasonable to assume that they were also outspoken when they believed that a Creator-GOD did exist.

[I think of it therefore, in terms of personality traits.]

When I began to question theism - specifically The Christianities - it was to do with their imaging of a Creator-GOD and when I made the move away from that, [perhaps largely due to my personality - I was never outspoken] I quietly approached the subject [Creator GOD] rather than simply abandon it "because of" theisms handling of it or any other number of reason as to why folk say they chose to become atheist.

Which is to say, I did not choose to believe that there was no Creator-GOD simply on account of "theist behaviours" or "reading the bible" [some reasons given by some who have changed position from theist to atheist] but rather, I chose to examine the question in more detail, and today I am grateful for having made that choice.

One thing I have learned is that the real question to be asking is not the one which separates "atheist" from "theist" [demanding that an individual must either be one or the other re the question] as believing or not believing in the existence of a Creator [and in the case of believing that there is - defining that Creator] because this step is jumping the gun and is thus a mis-step or stumble.

So - from my position, I see both atheists and theists as having jumped the gun, and instead of working together [as people] on finding answers to the Real Question which we should be asking, they fight over the question of a Creator GOD.

It is from that position I remain firm that I am neither theist or atheist, or for that matter - even agnostic - because the question re the existence of a Creator isn't the one I have been asking and finding out answers to.

GM: Human beings can do it the hard way or the easy way, but either way, the job will get done.
Illusion
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William: FTL;
What IS a great analogy of the universe mindfully unfolding is The Planet Earth - A living stone of complexity ... as one cannot explain away the complexity of biological life forms as the result of mindless acts of nature in which the complex movement of said life forms is due to "flat slippery surfaces and strong winds."

Mind therefore, can suitable be inserted as the simplest explanation of agency for movement and consequent complex shaping, which then can be more readily accepted as a likely agency for why the universe is unfolding as it is...into Galaxies and in relation to what is going on within said Galaxies.

I think that Mind is a great explanation for 'why' what goes on in this universe, on macro and on micro levels alike, as the explanation itself comes from the mind and so the mind should be able to recognize the connections therein, even through [appropriately] imagining it most likely.

As mysterious as the universe still is, the mind is just as mysterious...and therein is where imagination has its legitimate place - as long as imagination not being used inappropriately by claiming as certainty that it is a mind outside of the universe which caused the universe to unfold while ignoring or downplaying the idea that the universe itself has a mind and is its own agency of its own unfolding.

GM:"You Have An Invisible Friend
Expression Of Appreciation of Experience"

William: Expression Of Appreciation of Experience You Have An Invisible Friend = 686
[686]
What is time if you have already lived through multiple eternities?
"Be Nice Do Nice" Induce Species The Purpose Working with the simulation


GM: Down Your Way
Journey
Black Tuesday
Enqueue [add (an item of data awaiting processing) to a queue of such items.]
Nuclear
Steps
The Creation
We Can Do Magic! What is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness
The Supernatural and the Bible Delineating Quantum
An Exam [Virtual]
How is it 'logical' to assume 'magic' when magic is the very thing which proposes something coming from nothing?
Having To Learn a Whole Other Language
Ignoring...
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William: FTL;
Atheist: Your “immediate thoughts” often don’t correlate to anything I was immediately thinking by reading the phrases. IOW, when I read the phrases, I don’t get the same chain of thought you elucidate.

William: No surprises there.
The point I have been making is that coherent messages are generated - because if they were not coherent, then you would not even be able to have any 'chain of thought' associated with what you are reading.

Re that - it is equally important that we are aware - not only of our thoughts in the moment, but also more intrinsically - we are aware of why we think the particular way that we do.

Said another way. "There was I was where I ought - examining my conscious thought." not just having a thought for the sake of having a thought.

GM: Acknowledge Emotion But Do Not Be Controlled By It
What can I say, except "Thank You"
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William: FTL;
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JK: The gist of my argument lies in declaring a god would know what is objectively moral, and moreover, for human beings.

I can just the same declare he wouldn't, by virtue of not being human.

William: I understand your sentiments herein JK.

But my perspective Naturally forbids me from attempting to put an image onto something which is obviously invisible.
If GOD by [in relation to] nature, is invisible, this means the same to me as our minds being invisible to each other, except'n when we care to share our information.

As to morality - my understanding through study of Theism, is that there is something definitely going on which may not all be accounted for re the delusion theory.

The best we have to go by is Nature Herself, and therein, - as non-theists have argued well, we pick up our sense of morality by following the clues on how to survive and prosper in a wildly hostile environment.

[perhaps one day we will all learn to celebrate our collective morality.]

Put simple, the similarity stops there as two branch away from one, and fight like savages for supremacy.

Two mind-sets in opposition to each other, are accidents waiting to happen.

I do not know and cannot say
That Natural Neutral is the way

But I can say, that those who give it a shot seem to have the advantage.

On the question "Do we exist within a creation?" the answers simply have it for those who've decided already. Shooting at one another over the parapets, has real world consequences.

The answer my friend, is that we don't know right now so we all best shut up on making declaration either way, and pass the potatoes...

...GOD may be watching, and curious besides...best look like I am worthy of being tuned into...

GM: Is a Constant
Father Wound
Time And Space
Inclinations
Fling That Veil Aside
Vitriolic [filled with bitter criticism or malice.]
What things are unrelated
Relationship True Colors On all fronts
Navigational Aids
Attempting to overlay/superimpose one's belief in the truth of stories as being more truthful than the main overall story itself, is possibly an act of immorality, if indeed - upon further evidence - one continues to attempt to have the superimposed thing used to conceal the real.
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Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
"Dying
There is an art to flying or rather a knack..."
From the link
Exactly
More
As In...
Victim
What The Gods See
"The Power Of...
Yes, I Hear You"
WingMakers
Self-Immurement [literally "walling in") also called immuration or live entombment is a form of imprisonment, usually until death, in which a person is sealed within an enclosed space without exits.]

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My questions are directed toward Theists.

Often, when it comes to what I call "The Question of GOD", the cry from non-believers is "show us the [scientific] evidence!" and other variants on that theme.

In examining Theism in general, I find that most beliefs have some kind of image attached to their various ideas of GOD/Gods.

Even so, these GOD/Gods all reside elsewhere, rather than are fixtures within the universe, so one simply cannot point to any and answer the demand.

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As a Theist, do you think it is reasonable for anyone to demand [scientific] evidence of an invisible creator entity {a GOD}?

{Re the Bible, is there anything therein which can help answer this question?}

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As a Theist, was it [scientific] evidence which prompted you to believe in the existence of a creator-GOD, or something else?
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250822 [Incongruous -not in harmony or keeping with the surroundings or other aspects of something.]

SCLx12 + select last LE per shuffle
The Ishango bone - Not Wrong - Secure - Agreeable - “The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing.” - Those Who Can What Fun We Have! - Crop Circles - Prickly - The Taming of The Beast The elephant in the room - Gods of Human Creation - Morph - Foundation


AP= The Never Ending Story...Necessity is The Mother of Invention [=649]

[Six Four Nine]
[How about that
Phylogenesis [the evolutionary development and diversification of a species or group of organisms, or of a particular feature of an organism.]
Bandages of The Beast
The Book of Changes
The Second Coming
Glow Softly
Radical Honesty
Transparency
Farsightedness
The Wheel of Time
Light the spark]

RSP = SCLx6 RSPage 649

08:30 ["Do we exist in a creation?"]

GM: Science Can Be Fun Too

William: Especially the science of "randomness"... :)

GM: Especially the science of "randomness"... :) = 341 [Of this Message Generating Process.]

William: Yes - fun and educational.

GM: First Things First
With
Consciousness Incarnates The Metaphysical Universe Oneirology [the scientific study of dreams] The Confusion of War Get Comfortable Permanent

William: Fighting appears to be part of the process - a struggle to sort information into something which resembles a coherent picture...stop fighting it and things become less confusing.

GM: "Love Life
The nature of understanding"

William: Mysterious process Real Beauty

GM:
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William: FTL;
Flowers don't have brains.

GM: "Exploring the world of lucid dreaming
In The Flow
Virtual Reality"
In Love

William: "Woo" to some... Even naming something in a derogatory fashion is symptomatic of fear.
Perhaps thinking that dreams are not real, is a form of being derogatory - or the saying "It is all in your head" - "your imagination is running wild" - stuff like that.
In The Flow - In Love -Virtual Reality Exploring the world of lucid dreaming = 748
The relationship between sound and formation re The Universe's existence. = 748

GM: "Blind Luck
Event String Unfolding
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Indifference"

William: Event String Unfolding "Blind Luck" [Indifference] = 441
The Whole Point Of Life Is To De-Mystify It. = 441

FTL;
William: To think that Satan can outsmart the Elder - The Father YHWH - is a fallacy in relation to biblical narrative.
That is to say,
IF one has to go outside of biblical narrative whilst arguing against biblical narrative
THEN one is ignoring biblical narrative on the one hand whilst on the other holding ones interpretation of it up as the interpretation to assume.

Such muddies the waters for all except those who have already noticed what is beneath the surface...

GM: Perennial Look closer Who Knows What That Is Worth? Harmless "Keep me in The Loop Little Bird
Enflame Emotions "Oops"..... Always"

William: Yes - a parable;
The Dreamer dreams the dreamed and the dreamed think the dream is real. The dreamed wants to know, "Is this a dream that I think is real?" and sets out to investigate the nature of his/her reality.
In doing so, the dreamed realizes that the reality is responding as if it had a mind and shows the dreamed that the dream is both real and dreamed up at the same time.
The dreamed connects with this and the one dreaming is then able to converse with the dreamer.
Stuff like that...

GM: Tetrad [a group or set of four.]
Act like an airplane and adjust approach

William: Such as the main compass points...

GM: Signals
The Shaping Of Reality
Feelings Perceptions, and Behavior
Memorandum of Understanding
Deliberate and important
Instant Manifestation
God2
"Like stubbing ones minimus
Educational"
["Well That Settles It! What Fun We Have!"
Very comfortable in your own skin
May The Spirit of The Earth Bless You]

William: Indeed - that appears to be the case...

GM: "Respect
A measured step"

William: Respect a measured step = 233
"Do we exist in a creation?" = 233

The measured steps involve respecting the notion and investigating for evidence re the question asked...

GM: Angry
"Sorry. Would you clarify that?"


William: Only expressed as " The Demand for the Burden of Proof"

GM: ""Astral Guides"
Chaos Really Is Illusion
Ruling your world"

William: True enough.
"Astral Guides" Ruling your world..."Chaos Really Is Illusion" = 626
"I have learned that the only thing that is real, is consciousness" = 626

I Am... [also] the Dreamer, Dreaming The Dream...

GM: [Like an interface representation
What can I say, except "Thank You"
Enflame Emotions "Oops"..... Always]
The Ruru flies close over your head

William: A moment in the life of "William" it happened and was seen by me to be another serendipitous event stacked up with all the others and providing me with a clear indication [evidence] of the unseen "mind behind creation"

GM: One
Darkest-Darkness
The Power of Prayer
According to the teachings of ...?
"I thought I was following my intuition, not my instincts!"

William: I still think that...maybe the two are the same thing...

09:17 [Welcome all experience
YHVH in particular]
 
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