William: I myself prefer the thrill of seeing Mother Earth as She truly is - some demonic-like entity who has been manifesting Her particular projections out into that which She is awakening to - slowly and surely... and in the process, I hope to witness therein a transformation of a demon-like entity into a god-like entity...and be a part of that rather than dressing it up n too much fluff that I distort things far too impractically.
Just how much is 'too much' is up to the individual...
I am unconvinced that we can choose to ignore or that there are any alternative paths.
In what way must the Earth Entity transform in relation to the rest of the Universe She and Her Children are within?
The "waking function" involves the acceptance of what is and adapting to that. How does "God" provide this?
This - of course - is subject to projection.
We can understand that 'subduing nature' may involve taming it...clearing the jungle while planting the forest...
Nature comes from a dark place as can be identified in its forms and their functions.
The Earth Entity can rightly be referred to as a "God" due to Her creative abilities and intelligence quota.
Yet, there is an underlying symbiotic reach to become 'better' which tends toward a manifested materialism prompted by a variety of pathway's all heading in the same direction.
n that sense, it can be argued that while it can be agreed the Earth Entity is a God - it is something of a "God in the making" - a consciousness fine-tuning its God-like abilities toward that goal of becoming "God-Like" similar to a child maturing into an adult...
Clearly "God and the Bible" are not examples of any complete - adult - GOD as we can identify aspects of the biblical idea(s) of GOD as being immature...like a brilliant Child who still has much to learn about itself and its surroundings - even that it knows more about those things than Humans do.
This is why I think that Religions [no matter the paths] are all attempts of The Earth Entity to connect with and to direct Humanity.
YHWH is one of the Names the Earth Entity uses for this purpose.
What is occurring is that humanity is being heavily influenced by The Earth Entity, in a variety of ways - not just through the path of Christianity.
And what is it we are being 'saved' to and from?
My overall answer to that question is "Saved from our incomplete selves to our completed selves" and this process takes a number of steps, this Experiential Reality being one such step.
Theophile: I don't think this idea is inconsistent with the bible or biblical God. For example, God is not the creator of Mother Earth in the bible. Mother Earth is her own thing / an active and independent character in creation and the broader narrative. God is simply a spirit that calls upon her in the beginning ('her' being tehom / the deep). Anything else that comes of this, it is either of her alone or her partnership with God. i.e., it is all the result of 'watery-earthly' beings from the deep participating in the Spirit / God's Word. Bringing forth things like light, dry land, vegetation, etc. All things geared towards life in this world.
Union with the Spirit is the path to making the transition that you speak of. Where all things are God and God at last is in all things.
We seem perfectly able to drive Mother Earth into the ground should we chose to. We currently are, aren't we? Similarly we can be transformation agents working from within (which is our biblical calling). So seems to me there are alternative paths.
You said it first: it (and those within it) must become God. That is a transformation, no? But I would go further and say the whole universe needs to transform in this respect to reach the end. In terms of what that transformation consists of, it's essentially what I said somewhere before: affirming life above all else. Always doing what is in the interest of life, so that all life can be in this world, and the world is filled with life of every kind.
No, it's an awakening to something much greater than this I think. It's more about waking us up to purpose and path. You can't just keep calling that fluff and boil everything down to cold terms like 'accept' and 'adapt'. i.e., instead of just 'accepting', we should set ourselves real purpose in this world, and instead of 'adapting', we should proactively shape the path to fulfilling that intention.
In terms of how God provides this waking function, it's nothing special really. Per previous comment, God's essential being is spirit, which is tantamount to words in our ears, or ideas, which have the ability to wake us up. That is to say, while I think God can be much more than this, God is not necessarily anything more than what you could call pure intention. i.e., something that has no real physical (/earthly) being at all, but that can nevertheless speak to us, call us to greater purpose, and motivate our action.
In other words, as with all other spirits which can have similar effect (like the spirit of capitalism for example), God can awaken Mother Earth, but the forcing function behind that call will always be Mother Earth and/or those who make her up.
What does 'better' mean? You may call my view fluff, but I feel like your view needs more positive content than becoming 'god-like' (and apologies if you provided before). If it's in your notion of a 'manifested materialism,' what do you mean by that?
Also, what is the basis for saying the whole thing 'tends toward' a certain direction? Not sure if Mother Earth tends towards anything on her own frankly. All the life on earth for instance can be wiped out in a dash and the whole universe for all we know is tending towards nothing. i.e., a vast, empty space.
All that said, when I read the above, I get a sense of what I would call common grace (co-opting a theological term for my own purposes). By which I mean, the bible certainly doesn't have a monopoly on truth, and to your point, a variety of pathways may point us in the same direction. But whether we go that direction or not depends on us. Not some abstract Earth Entity or even God.
Does this Earth Entity have intention? I get the sense from what you say that you think it does, and we should just shut-up and do what it says. In terms of salvation, I would say it is more simply from death to life. Or, along the lines you're going, from death to even greater life than we ever knew before.
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200822 [Nature being the very instigator]
SCLx11 + select last LE per shuffle
Dilatory [slow to act. intended to cause delay.] - True happiness - In an environment which is able to perceive this. - Clinging onto the wake of the fundamental...wanting to be part of it forever. - It's a fish eats fish world...going landy doesn't change the fact that things are fleeing from things which are fleeing and as nature would have it, how is this more immoral than funny? - The Library of Babel -
- Deactivate the suppression matrix influence upon oneself - Higher Self Dream Guide - Ingenuity - First Things First
FTL;
Theism - by nature - is the human consciousness within the animal, reaching out to other possible conclusions regarding the human situation.
Most NDE stories have a shared thread through the telling. NDEs have likely been around as long as human beings and probably factor in a good percentage of why theistic thinking evolved alongside human development and understanding of the self.
What most folk tend to experience with NDE has to do with observing their bodies from another perspective and in that, the body is seen objectively and not identified by the person as being who they are.
NDEs often allow for a person to understand themselves as something other than the body - a difficult thing to achieve from the perspective of consistently experiencing life from the perspective of being the body, which is why folk tend to self-identify as the body - especially those who believe that their consciousness is an emergent property of the brain and have never experienced anything else which might go a long way in convincing them otherwise.
There is no doubt that the human body is biological and in the animal class as per human categorizations.
But there is doubt as to whether such is the true nature of human consciousness, or for that matter, that animal consciousness in general is truly/only animal in character.
Tying that in with the OPQ...is the Biblical God's conduct of breathing life into [making conscious] the human animal form, something which requires blame?
To me, it seems to boil down [yet again] to the mirror-mirror mentality. If we attribute evil to nature, then the one who created nature can only be seen as evil. Same goes for good.
Since, generally, folk appear to attribute both good and evil as aspects of nature, we are confronted with the peculiarity of apparent contradiction, which isn't helpful.
It does appear that most folk cannot get their heads around it.
AP= Mantra "I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me."
[Mantra "I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me." = 1076]
[One Zero Seven Six = 215]
[215]
Without Judgement
Freedom in The Knowing
I will leave that there
Tired of the Nonsense
Thoughts and Forts
Staying up all night
Batten down the hatches
What matters most
Sad Room to Explore
Beyond Belief Recovery
One Zero Seven Six
RSP = SCLx6 RS Page 222 444 666
10:26 [Theist mischief making]
Page 222
GM: "Tell me what you’re ganna do tell me where you’re ganna go tell me what you’re going through or do you even want to know?"
"One Day"
[Christian mythology re God]
William: "One Day" [Christian mythology re God] = 354
[354]
One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known
Break through to your true self
Living Forever In this Universe
To establish the skills necessary
They just add ambiance to the spooky...
Rationality Central to The Message
"Sorry. Would you clarify that?"
All present and correct Heart Teachers
"One Day" [Christian mythology re God]
GM: The Home Of The...
"Is quite congruous with Jung's ideas centering around individuation."
As Well As That
"Noticing Synchronicity
The Ghost
To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness - We don't know enough to close any door and leave those rooms unexplored...
Challenge
Sensing connections through subconscious means"
William: Noticing Synchronicity The Ghost To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness - We don't know enough to close any door and leave those rooms unexplored... Challenge Sensing connections through subconscious means = 2430
[Two Four Three Zero = 238]
[238]
Secret Organizations
New Shifts In Thinking
Infinite Quantum Zen
A completely new paradigm
Beings posted to planet
Ones core expression
I am not here to pick sides
Spiritual bypassing
Two Four Three Zero
GM:
William: FTL;
William: We know that if we stand on the moon, and look at the planet, there is no immediate evidence of the planet being an intelligent entity, producing myriad forms of intelligent life.
brunumb: Probably because the planet is not intelligent entity.
William: Positive statements imply a claim is being made. Do you have any evidence to support the claim that the planet is not an intelligent entity?
It is when we get closer to it - and find life and examine life and see the intelligence therein, that we can return to the moon and observe an intelligent planet. Not because it looks any different from the way it did when we first observed it from the moon - but rather - because we accumulated a lot of information about it through closer examination, and the effect of that data in that interim, changed our original perceptions of the Earth.
brunumb: But those changes to our original perceptions of the Earth do not lead to the conclusion that it is an intelligent entity.
William: No they do not, and I don't understand where it is you think I am saying this is the case.
What it leads to is that the possibility that one equals the other, allows for the possibility that it is, and therefore, information regarding the possibility remains relevant to the position of Agnosticism.
That door remains open to further investigation.
That idea remains on the table.
brunumb: Sure, there are intelligent species everywhere but no compelling reason to conclude that intelligence extends beyond those species. Unless, of course, one is predisposed to leaping to unwarranted conclusions or applying some sort of confirmation bias.
William: The sort of confirmation bias which Agnosticism avoids are those which develop within the positions of Theism and Atheism.
The "unwarranted conclusion" in this case, would be to view the obvious intelligence being displayed, as "not really a display of intelligence." but "something else" such as "The planet isn't really an intelligent entity, but is simply unconsciously responding to the stimulus of its environment."
GM: Glow Softly
Strengthen your boundaries
One can simply shrug and tell oneself “It doesn't really matter"
William: Glow Softly Strengthen your boundaries One can simply shrug and tell oneself “It doesn't really matter" = 1090
[One Zero Nine Zero = 204]
[204]
The Language of Innocence
An Elemental Principle
Attention to Detail
Perceived obsolescence
The voice of knowledge
Handing out sweets...
One Seventy Four
Approaching the Divine
The "Oh My God" Particle
Concomitant [a phenomenon that naturally accompanies or follows something.] Power
Do It Monoatomic Gold
One Zero Nine Zero
GM: Intransigent [unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something.]
Taxonomic [concerned with the classification of things, especially organisms.]
"An inappropriate analogy
Decisive"
William: Intransigent Decisive An inappropriate analogy Taxonomic = 588
Is the universe the ongoing product of an intelligent mind? = 588
GM: "Crop Circles
Simple"
William: Simple Crop Circles = 195
[195]
The Eternal Truth
The Gaia Hypothesis
The corporate elite
The tribe has spoken
More data more evidence
The Clear Eye Of Soul
Connecting the dots
Love is the answer
Simple Crop Circles
GM: "Dream Cake
Foundation
Jacque Fresco
Crafted"
William: Jacque Fresco Foundation Crafted Dream Cake = 360
[360]
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are
Where are we getting our news from?
The relevant scientific community
A projection of one’s subconscious
Placing aside the childish not the childlike
Jacque Fresco Foundation Crafted Dream Cake
GM:
William: FTL;
Compassionist: The Bible is full of contradictions and inaccuracies. How can I possibly rely on the Bible to give me facts about reality?
William: The bible is just one of many theist books and in that, the contradictions are about individual authors relaying their ideas based upon their particular beliefs, which - combined - are what produce the contradictions. Like with all theistic writings, it is wise to take the stories on the understanding that the individuals are relaying their experiences as the experiences were created through their beliefs and in correlation with their personal attitudes etc...it is unwise to think of such as reliable source re 'facts about reality' - as to do so means one is having to believe and in that, shaping ones beliefs and attitudes and [should there be more to experience after the death of the body] those beliefs and attitudes will have an effect on what it is the individual will create and experience for themselves.
My perspective [re logic] is that it is better to be somewhat prepared for the possibility that there is more to experience after the death of the body, than to believe that there will be nothing more to experience and be way less prepared as a consequence.
If I am wrong, then 'no problem' but if I am right, then 'no problem'...
GM: Mindfulness
And That's Not All
Intent
Divine masculine
That is the truth.
"What Fun We Have!
Hilary [you know who you are]
Up to scratch"
"Opening Doors
Where minds meet is where GOD is found
Use Heart
Awake Relationship Unity [Clean]"
[Belief Helps Cause Separation]
A Mathematical Theory of Communication
Fearless
William: A Mathematical Theory of Communication Fearless = 454
[454]
The Individuals Relationship With The Father
Opening ourselves to real love and intimacy
Otherwise, hell nor high water can change one’s mind.
"What we resist, persists " Your Dream Team
A Mathematical Theory of Communication Fearless
GM: TBC...
10:55 [ Crop formations
Under question
In William’s Room
Whatever you do
Through Others
The Wider Reality
Aye...A name I call myself.
Synchronicity
Went To The Devil
Guitar and Ukulele
Mirror-Mirror
In Out and All About
One Two Three One
One Zero Five Five]
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someone who doesn't appreciate the love that goes into every stitch I would imagine ❤ ♥
