Gender Ideology megathread.

[Jackson]

Like I said, too much time on the hands. Q.E.D.

idle hands make the devil's work, blah blah blah

Why did you ever leave Christianity?

 

[Xenophon]

Curses! Foiled again! (Sorry for the bad melodrama, but OP was briefly a real presence in the forum; the other commentators in this thread, mere shades.)

 

[Morell]

I'm not very woke, but I am transgender, so I've always been curious about Gender and the Occult.
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There are (and in history there were many) traditions and covens that require you to be of specific gender (physical) to become member. Solo practitioner doesn't have advantages of the group, but is free of their disadvantages too. If it is good or bad, I do not judge, as each group has right for their own identity and if they are made only of people fitting their conditions, it's their choice and their tradition.

In my opinion for occult practice more important than gender is health of the body and mind, the inner balance. I don't see why having different gender than gender identity (body versus mind) would be an issue for occult practice... maybe except not being able to join some groups, but today it's not that hard to find another group that is accepting, I believe.

 

[Wintruz]

It's a principle of my Work to regard consciousness as, in many ways, set apart from the natural world. That is, the ability of the human mind to re-configure nature is an indication of its being "outside" of nature in a metaphysical sense. However, unless we're embarking on the path of a Randian/Mr Burns type despoiler of nature (and that's worked out really well for us hasn't it?!), the wise course of action when acting on the world is to work with nature, not against it.

Humanity at large is now so cut off from nature that, insulated in high-rise apartments within urban Hellscapes, living on the internet and ultra-processed foods, the final assault on nature has been normalised: War with one's own body. Note that this has occurred in tandem with nature becoming a source of anxiety, where humans fear that winds and waves are going to encroach upon their unnatural dystopias.

I have no issue with some, balanced modification of the body for aesthetic purposes, including those of gender, but there's a difference of scale between improving what's already there and trying to become something else. The first category might involve growing hair long or even surgery to get rid of a crooked nose or overbite, the latter involves becoming a Michael Jackson-esque medical experiment, a permanent patient.

I feel sorry for those who genuinely cannot come to terms with the body nature has given them (though given the speed that people are running into transgender options, I'm not optimistic that they've been trying hard enough to accept themselves) but I won't endorse practices or the metaphysics behind them which are obviously, deeply anti-nature. It won't end well.

 

[Jackson]

I feel sorry for those who genuinely cannot come to terms with the body nature has given them (though given the speed that people are running into transgender options, I'm not optimistic that they've been trying hard enough to accept themselves)

Although I don't consider myself a transwoman, there is an assumption that one necessarily has a "problem" with one's body or self per se.

It won't end well.

All things end in death.

 

[Wintruz]

All things end in death.

Yes, but there's a difference between a life of excellence, self-ease and joy in between now and then and a life of confusion, illness and the pursuit of what is never going to be.

 

[Jackson]

Yes, but there's a difference between a life of excellence, self-ease and joy in between now and then and a life of confusion, illness and the pursuit of what is never going to be.

You're still making assumptions about the mentalities and modalities of a broad array of people.

 

[Wintruz]

You're still making assumptions about the mentalities and modalities of a broad array of people.

"modalities" doesn't make sense here - I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I have actually had very little to say about the "mentalities" of anyone.

I reiterate that if a person uses their body as a medical experiment, in pursuit of what is outside of their nature and therefore unobtainable, they are at war with nature, regardless of what's in their mind. The proof of this war is in the circumstance itself.

If a person is not using their body as a medical experiment, then they may well still be at war with nature but that battle hasn't (yet) spread to their own body.

 

[Jackson]

I reiterate that if a person uses their body as a medical experiment, in pursuit of what is outside of their nature and therefore unobtainable, they are at war with nature, regardless of what's in their mind.

That's very dramatic, on your part at least. The same could be said of civilization in general.

Return to monke, etc. Very philosophical, in a superficial kind of way.

 

[Wintruz]

The same could be said of civilization in general.

Yes. I expressly made this point in the original post which seems to have so animated you.

 

[Jackson]

Yes. I expressly made this point in the original post which seems to have so animated you.

A promotion of primitivism has something to do with you; not other people.

 

[Wintruz]

A promotion of primitivism has something to do with you; not other people.

What are you talking about? Neither this, nor most of your other posts in this forum, make any sense whatsoever. You're using terminology which you do not understand. Primitivism is a French art movement that largely centres African aesthetics. Nothing that I've said has anything to do with that.

If you're upset that someone thinks that mutilating one's own body is a bad idea, that a person can never actually transition and that wanting to is indicative of mental illness and semi-conscious hatred of nature/reality, then, like any upset person, it's best to log off, calm down and come back with reasoned arguments that deal with the content of what has been said. That, or take a moment to ask yourself why it so irks you - because there are billions who share my view and who are critical of whatever "affirmative" nonsense you've been feeding yourself.

In the meantime, though I'm always happy to hear contrary views when they're put forward by someone who knows what they're talking about, it's clear that you and I are not on the same wavelength and my time is precious.

 

[Jackson]

indicative of mental illness.

I suppose that would depend on the person and definition, but it would not have a great deal to do with you.

 

[Khoren_]

Guys, what's a gender?

Is that like a calendar?

 

[Jackson]

Guys, what's a gender? Is that like a calendar?

Finally an interesting question. Yes. There are four season, twelve months (eleven in the elder times) and seven kinds of sigma males.

 

[Khoren_]

Finally an interesting question. Yes. There are four season, twelve months (eleven in the elder times) and seven kinds of sigma males.

FOUR SEASONS?! THAT IS HERESY. MY GRANDPAP TOLD ME THERES THE COLD SEASON AND THE GROWING SEASON AND ANYOME WHO CLAIMS THERE ARE MORE IS A LYING SUNUVAGUN

I stg
If someone asks you call them something nicely, f***ing do it. Even if it's them asking you to call them a c*nt

 

[Xenophon]

Although I don't consider myself a transwoman, there is an assumption that one necessarily has a "problem" with one's body or self per se.


All things end in death.

Do they? Those who've attempted to probe the matter are divided. And even if death be an end, there are good deaths and bad. Or, to be more precise, deaths well-played and deaths acted out as shameful farce.Plutarch offers a great many models for the former.

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Guys, what's a gender?

Is that like a calendar?

It's the motive behind Germans and Slavs inflecting their poor put-upon nouns.

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Finally an interesting question. Yes. There are four season, twelve months (eleven in the elder times) and seven kinds of sigma males.

Then the wily Chinese go hacking the four into two-dozen "solar terms." Complificating everything. Gods know what they'll accomplish when gender mania penetrates popular consciousness. Some Sino Warhol will declare, 'everyone is every gender, but only for fifteen minutes.'

 

[Jackson]

Do they? Those who've attempted to probe the matter are divided. And even if death be an end, there are good deaths and bad. Or, to be more precise, deaths well-played and deaths acted out as shameful farce.Plutarch offers a great many models for the former.

Ok fine, they don't end death. You may or may not do the same things like an idiot on autopilot. Are you happy now?

 

[Xenophon]

Ok fine, they don't end death. You may or may not do the same things like an idiot on autopilot. Are you happy now?

Clearly you aren't. Remember what gramma said: when life gives you lemons, swap 'em out for limes and slam tequila shots..

 

[Wintruz]

Clearly you aren't. Remember what gramma said: when life gives you lemons, swap 'em out for limes and slam tequila shots..

Learn from my error: You are arguing with a deranged individual.