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im not so god at liking things, so i keep them as living concepts. the last time i looked myself in the mirror in the astral, they look like black diamonds growing out of my back.

later on i found some became human, which was a very strange experience.
 

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Now, If I was in the market for a mate or even a hook up I would be extremely angry if someone intentionally mislead me concerning their biological gender. Especially, if I didn't find out until we were being physically intimate. To my way of thinking, that would be sexual assault upon me. Because I would have never consented to anything had I been made aware. That really wouldn't end well.

I agree with this, it goes against the principle of informed consent.

FWIW it's mostly a myth. People don't want to get beaten up or killed so they don't do it. The reason you hear a lot of stories about it, is because men who are attracted to trans women lie about it

They meet a trans woman, either at a bar or because they went on a trans dating site specifically looking for one, but either way she was honest upfront and he was into it. (There's a lot of porn with trans women, it's not rare for men to go looking for that.) They sleep together, they're both happy. Then the guy's friends find out, and he's an insecure coward, so instead of going "yeah, what of it?", he acts like he's surprised, and goes and beats the hell out of his partner to prove to his friends that he's not gay. Dig into any of these stories and 99% of the time you will be like "there's no way he didn't know".

I'm sure you've met guys like this - about other things. Who are too insecure to admit they like what they like, so will mock it instead.

So yeah you don't need to worry too much about being surprised - maybe you will only find out after you've flirted a bit (because it's weird to just announce it to someone if you don't think they're interested in you) but they will definitely tell you before you go home together
 

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So yeah you don't need to worry too much about being surprised - maybe you will only find out after you've flirted a bit (because it's weird to just announce it to someone if you don't think they're interested in you) but they will definitely tell you before you go home together - 💯
That's the way it should be. I have 0% problems with that. i have heard trans people say they won't tell. That's a problem. Now, I have met men who fit the profile you described. They're cowards. I want nothing to do with males like them. I'm not perfect at it, but I try to live by the rule: Don't do anything that you would be ashamed of. I live by it just so I'm not put in any of those situations.

Now, telling the truth can be rough sometimes. I've been married for 30 years. Before I had ever met my wife. I had a man come up to me and ask, "Are you sleeping with my wife?" I looked him straight in the eyes and calmly said, "Yes, I am.". Thankfully, he walked away. I wasn't ashamed of it and wasn't going to lie about it.
 

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I'm not very woke, but I am transgender, so I've always been curious about Gender and the Occult.

I know that Gender is a political topic, especially bending Gender. I know Transvestite prostitutes were viewed as Sacred in the temple of Ianna during the Sumerian era, and the Hindu Hijras performed fertility rituals at weddings and were known to bring good luck. I decided since the topic is going to probably devolve even though I'm bringing it up from an occult perspective, this is probably the appropriate place.

I guess I do identify more with being androgynous than male or female, but I can't really say anything because it's kind of associated with "those people", I know I'm not a biological female and would never claim to be, why is there such a reluctance among Western society in accepting the concept of a third gender for people who don't fit into the gender norms which would appease Gender Critical Feminist much like they do in Hindu societies?

In terms of my political views, I view it as exercising my freedom of speech, you don't need to view me as a female, it takes more than a single syllable word to break me down, just let me dress how I want and be whoever I want to be and that is kind of all I require. I don't fit into the transgender community since I think they are focusing on the wrong things. I want to be free from discrimination in employment, housing, access to health care and free from aggressive harassment for minding my own buisiness, that is pretty much it. It doesn't mean I don't experience snickers or people laughing because I live in the ghetto people have the right to their own views and speech, but I should be free from a homeless person threatening to shoot me when I'm standing at the bus stop just waiting for a bus for being a "fucking faggot".

Instead of these relatively reasonable things, the transgender community is focusing on Harry Potter and neo-pronouns.
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FWIW it's mostly a myth. People don't want to get beaten up or killed so they don't do it.
You are trying to apply logic to a group of individuals that are emotional thinkers not logical thinkers. A lot of these people honestly see themselves as women and that they don't need to tell anyone because "I'm a real woman and you are a straight man attracted to women". These people already excel at mental gymnastics, you are falsely trying to apply logic to their thinking.

These are the people that are aligned with groups that use "logic" like - "Don't teach women to avoid circumstances that lead to r*pe, teach men not to r*pe". As if men who are r*pists don't already know it's wrong and simply don't care.

You really think people that think like this, will truly put the onus on themselves to avoid making decisions that increase the risk of violence or death?

I don't, maybe you are talking about the older crowd, but the more accepted they become and the more emboldened and supported in their beliefs they are (the new generation of trans), the less they are going to take any accountability.

Listen, these people are illogical, the ones that confuse me the most are the men that transition to date women and be a "lesbian" lol. That is peak mental gymnastics. You already had the equipment and the persona that was optimal to be with women lmao. There was no need to switch.

It's the logical equivalent of someone wanting to be a professional runner, so they cut their legs off, spend months in a wheelchair recuperating and healing, then get prosthetic legs attached so that they can become a runner with the prosthetic legs, instead of the real legs they already had from the start. Which also significantly lowers number of races they can compete in, and how many people would be willing to run with them. The logic here is so ridiculously convoluted, I really can't stand it.

My pet peeve has always, and will always be illogical things (on any issue), it will always frustrate me.

The reason you hear a lot of stories about it, is because men who are attracted to trans women lie about it.
This just sounds like gaslighting to me and I think this is a myth. Maybe that excuse could be used in the past, but not today with how the technology has advanced and how much more difficult it is to tell who is what.

These beatings and murders usually happen in secret without anyone even knowing that they made the mistake, that's the point. If it was just about appearances, the beatings and killings would only happen AFTER the guy gets outed as being intimate with a trans, that rarely happens. Usually the guy finds out without anyone else knowing and acts out violently, then that crime leads to an investigation and everything comes out. It's not about other people knowing, it's about being tricked and feeling violated.

Honestly the guys you are actually talking about aren't "attracted to transwomen". There's no such thing, it's a made up term to define what someone is pretending to be. These men are gay (attracted to men), and having sex with a men who present as a woman is a useful tool for mental gymnastics, like giving yourself the plausible deniablity of "I'm not gay, they clearly look like a woman so I'm straight". Any man who wants to date women, would just date the larger percentage of the population that are women, not purposefully seek out the miniscule percentage of men pretending to be women. It makes no sense logically, those men are closeted homosexuals in denial.

These men who intentionally date transwomen are no different than the type of guy being portrayed in the video below, it's the same level of mental gymnastics. They are not straight, they just like the idea of being straight so they want to indentify as such, it's a persona for them, they feel respected in it. The entire world today has become a game of slapping on identity badges that are convenient to your tastes, regardless of whether you qualify for that badge or not (it's indentity theft, just general rather than personal):
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If someone tells me they dislike bananas and they love ice-cream, but everytime I see them eating ice-cream it's just a little bit of ice-cream on top of a mound of bananas, I'm going to call BS on that lol. The ice-cream is just there for show, what they really want is to eat bananas without feeling like they are someone that likes bananas, and without being seen as someone that likes bananas (it's about self perception and appearances). People who like ice-cream and dislike bananas, would just eat ice-cream alone (especially if only 2% of ice-cream shops offer bananas with ice-cream).

That really wouldn't end well.
Same. If it was just a kiss on the cheek I'd let them off with a warning, mouth kiss and I'm gonna have to fight them lol. If we had sex, I'm gonna have to "take them out" on principle lol.

I honestly just count myself lucky. I mean they are only like 2% of the population anyways so it's not as if it's likely to happen. But If I can have a park to walk in that has land mines in 2% of the area, or a park that has 0%, I'd prefer a 0% chance of getting blown up while trying to take a carefree walk in the park. I don't want to have to think about possible land mines that shouldn't be there, but now I'm forced to because of 2% of the population.

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This is why I can never be in favor of it or support it. Heck some of them are getting their birth certificates changed 😂. There's no way you can say this isn't malicious lol. That's an undeniably deliberate attempt to deceive someone on a long term basis. It should be illegal. There is no reason to try and erase the past outside of delibrately trying to lie about it.

Having said that, I have a trans child in their early twenties who lives in my home.
Yeah, I'm never having children. Never wanted any but the more I see of the world today the more strongly I hold to this position lol. It's just not worth it anymore. I always knew I was born into one of the worst eras.

Why couldn't I have been born in the year 4000 or something so that I could experience all the cool futuristic stuff. I don't get to experience the old era of traditionalism, and I don't get the experience the era of super advanced technology either. I'm smack dab in the middle of this mediocre garbage lol.
 

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I'm almost speechless.

The amount of Transphobia here amongst a group of people supposedly on the path of enlightenment is fucking WILD.
 

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I'm almost speechless.

The amount of Transphobia here amongst a group of people supposedly on the path of enlightenment is fucking WILD.
I completely agree. I don't understand trans people one bit and I won't pretend that I do. However, it doesn't mean that being trans is wrong. I simply just don't understand it. I mean, didn't we all get into the occult for mostly the same reasons? We were curious to try something new and got into it is most likely how it happened. I'm assuming that's the same for trans people or gay people. Feel free to explore your sexual or gender orientation and don't be in fear of the unknown.
 

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I'm almost speechless.

The amount of Transphobia here amongst a group of people supposedly on the path of enlightenment is fucking WILD.

It happens to people who only have a cursory knowledge of the occult and attempt to push their inbred values onto the world.

mean, didn't we all get into the occult for mostly the same reasons? We were curious to try something new and got into it is most likely how it happened

Baphomet is actually a demon trying to convince the children to be gay trannies!
 

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It happens to people who only have a cursory knowledge of the occult and attempt to push their inbred values onto the world.



Baphomet is actually a demon trying to convince the children to be gay trannies!
I'm not too sure about that Baphomet statement. I was fairly sure by how he manifests himself to me that Baphomet was just a wise and very old deity that's been around since the birth of Yahweh himself. And is on neither side, not christ, or Satan.
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I'm not too sure about that Baphomet statement. I was fairly sure by how he manifests himself to me that Baphomet was just a wise and very old deity that's been around since the birth of Yahweh himself. And is on neither side, not christ, or Satan.
Baphomet is more of an observing deity than an influencer
 

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I'm not too sure about that Baphomet statement. I was fairly sure by how he manifests himself to me that Baphomet was just a wise and very old deity that's been around since the birth of Yahweh himself. And is on neither side, not christ, or Satan.

No, I know. I was attempting to make a joke about Baphomet being the representation of the Holy Marriage of Male and Female
 

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No, I know. I was attempting to make a joke about Baphomet being the representation of the Holy Marriage of Male and Female
Oh yes, I have heard that statement many times. Especially from tiktok girlies who thing satanism only involves working with baphomet and that he's an "all loving" "cuddly" deity. (he's neither. He just enjoys spectating and occasionally reaches out but only for good reasons)
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Oh yes, I have heard that statement many times. Especially from tiktok girlies who thing satanism only involves working with baphomet and that he's an "all loving" "cuddly" deity. (he's neither. He just enjoys spectating and occasionally reaches out but only for good reasons)
Overall, a great deity to work with but don't expect too too much out of him unless you have a serious connection of some sort
 

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Oh yes, I have heard that statement many times. Especially from tiktok girlies who thing satanism only involves working with baphomet and that he's an "all loving" "cuddly" deity. (he's neither. He just enjoys spectating and occasionally reaches out but only for good reasons)

So him sending one of his followers my way when I was early in my path was a big deal? And me not following through with that was a bad thing?

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I'm being completely serious about this last statement. I genuinely hope I didn't piss him off lol
 

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I'm almost speechless.

The amount of Transphobia here amongst a group of people supposedly on the path of enlightenment is fucking WILD.
I'm not transphobic. I simply want my romantic/sexual partners to be 100% genetically female. I also want to be able to live my life without someone demanding that I think and say things that I have no desire to. Calling a heterosexual transphobic because they don't want to date someone who shares their biological gender is the same as calling a gay male hetero-phobic because he doesn't want to date a biological female. The logic doesn't wash. Not agreeing with the trans community is not fear or hate. It is simply disagreement. To equate agreement of your position with enlightenment is absurd grandiosity on your part. The tone of your response was set not to encourage open intellectual discussion, but to virtue signal in order to attempt to shame those listening into compliance. Yeah, that type of thing quit working on me about 30 years ago. So please add some genuine content to the discussion. If your last comment is the true height of your intellectual capacity, Oy, then please disregard the previous sentence.
 

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I'm not transphobic. I simply want my romantic/sexual partners to be 100% genetically female. I also want to be able to live my life without someone demanding that I think and say things that I have no desire to. Calling a heterosexual transphobic because they don't want to date someone who shares their biological gender is the same as calling a gay male hetero-phobic because he doesn't want to date a biological female. The logic doesn't wash. Not agreeing with the trans community is not fear or hate. It is simply disagreement. To equate agreement of your position with enlightenment is absurd grandiosity on your part. The tone of your response was set not to encourage open intellectual discussion, but to virtue signal in order to attempt to shame those listening into compliance. Yeah, that type of thing quit working on me about 30 years ago. So please add some genuine content to the discussion. If your last comment is the true height of your intellectual capacity, Oy, then please disregard the previous sentence.

I wasn't even alluding to you.

I added my thoughts before in another thread and if I have some free time later I will search for them and link it or repeat it.

I wasn't trying to shame anyone into compliance. I was truly stunned by some of the things I read in the entirety of the thread.

But I can tell you right away I have no desire to show off my intelligence or sound smart with a lot of flowery language and that's just not going to be something you'll get from me.

I speak to the point in matter of fact everyday language.

I can see that I upset you somehow so for that my apologies I guess. But I mean....hey I don't think insulting someone's intelligence it a great way to facilitate a back and forth dialogue either.

I'm not even sure intelligence levels or capacity has any bearing on the worth of another person's opinion anyway.
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Here dude:

Gender affecting magick

This is about all I feel like saying on the subject.
 
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I'm not transphobic. I simply want my romantic/sexual partners to be 100% genetically female. I also want to be able to live my life without someone demanding that I think and say things that I have no desire to. Calling a heterosexual transphobic because they don't want to date someone who shares their biological gender is the same as calling a gay male hetero-phobic because he doesn't want to date a biological female. The logic doesn't wash. Not agreeing with the trans community is not fear or hate. It is simply disagreement. To equate agreement of your position with enlightenment is absurd grandiosity on your part. The tone of your response was set not to encourage open intellectual discussion, but to virtue signal in order to attempt to shame those listening into compliance. Yeah, that type of thing quit working on me about 30 years ago. So please add some genuine content to the discussion. If your last comment is the true height of your intellectual capacity, Oy, then please disregard the previous sentence.
Good point. Those who equate distaste with hate with acting out reveal more about their own inner processes than they describe their opponents. I am perfectly willing to stand on opposite sides of the room with those I disagree with, and no beat-downs needed or contemplated.
 

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If I jumped salty for no reason then I apologize. My family interacts with a lot of trans people and not all, but a significant percentage of them equates disagreement with hate. It wears on you after awhile. So does the pronoun thing. I don't do the preferred pronoun thing and got irritated when people or jobs tried to force it on me. I call a person by what my senses and logic tells me. The whole purpose of pronouns in the area we are discussing is to allow the people speaking to discriminate between genders in their conversation. Artificially, muddying the waters on the matter does not help anyone.

Other than asking someone if they like ice cream or some such I can't see how a person's intelligence or capacity does not have direct bearing on the worth of someone's opinion. Please notice I said the worth of their opinion. I was not referring to the absolute worth of the individual. All living beings have intrinsic worth. Intelligence and capacity, as well as knowledge are fundamental to forming a solid opinion.
 

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I'm almost speechless.

The amount of Transphobia here amongst a group of people supposedly on the path of enlightenment is fucking WILD.
Ain't that just the awfulest thing? When people DARE to have a different notion of enlightenment than the one I happen to find myself using?
 

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Serious question:
When we as a species transcend to pure energy, will gender matter
 

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If I jumped salty for no reason then I apologize. My family interacts with a lot of trans people and not all, but a significant percentage of them equates disagreement with hate. It wears on you after awhile. So does the pronoun thing. I don't do the preferred pronoun thing and got irritated when people or jobs tried to force it on me. I call a person by what my senses and logic tells me. The whole purpose of pronouns in the area we are discussing is to allow the people speaking to discriminate between genders in their conversation. Artificially, muddying the waters on the matter does not help anyone.

Other than asking someone if they like ice cream or some such I can't see how a person's intelligence or capacity does not have direct bearing on the worth of someone's opinion. Please notice I said the worth of their opinion. I was not referring to the absolute worth of the individual. All living beings have intrinsic worth. Intelligence and capacity, as well as knowledge are fundamental to forming a solid opinion.
I don't see you had anything to apologize for. If someone does not like your views, so be it.

All beings have "intrinsic worth"? I have never been able to unpack that one. I noticed that even the head monk where I practiced in Thailand swatted 'skeeters all the same.
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The first thing beings do when transitioning to a new sphere is pack lots and lots of baggage.
 

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Ain't that just the awfulest thing? When people DARE to have a different notion of enlightenment than the one I happen to find myself using?

Fair enough and btw I’ve never thought you intend hate or even violence towards others by anything I’ve seen you say.

Plus I should clear up when I say Phobia I didn’t mean hate but fear of what might not be understood.

I’m not really wanting to get into a whole thing here.

I like you and most of the things you post.

I was maybe being a smart ass with my initial post and carrying over some agitations from similar topics and comments from another forum. I could also just be in a prickly mood today.

Of course you are right that enlightenment doesn’t mean the same thing to everyone and whatever my own definition is shouldn’t necessarily apply to anyone else.

My apologies. I can be an asshole sometimes.
 
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