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Anyone find that your Religion/God messes with your magick and actively ruins your life?

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I grew up Buddhist, I am not anymore. Still I pray once in a while to hedge my best in the afterlife, it seems like my Buddhist practices are actively interfering with my magick spells to improve my life i.e increase iq, etc.

I've gotten alot of good results from Gallery of Magick's books but something about Buddhism doesn't seem to like the fact that I am enjoying my life and infact now that my life is better I noticed Buddhism actually exacerbated my mental and emotional issues rather than solve it.
 

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Intellectual debate hath this advantage over chess: when I am at a loss, I can just sneer, "It's is so pointless talking to you till you've read (insert book title here)!" Kind of like Lucky Jack Aubrey sailing his battered sloop into a fog bank before the Frenchies can deliver that last broadside.

I hear ya. Jackson's got a point... but so do I. My vote: my points in that matter are ancillary. No need to argue. @HocusPocus getting bad advice? That's important.
 

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Angles are not known for only doing good, it's interesting programming that people consider them only good despite that they do bad things too. With angels of Christianity, when they are send to you to get you on the Christian path, they might even cause you bad luck or other stuff to show you how bad your path is.
As I read this, it was my understanding that it is this person's personal gnosis that angels are not just 'good' but capable of causing problems. I invoke angels every day, but it is not the first time I have heard of people claiming issues when dealing with angels.
Playing the blame game is not healthy. The individual is conjuring their own demons.
Perhaps it was my misunderstanding, but it seemed as though you were disagreeing with the poster? You said, it would seem, that the poster was playing the blame game, not taking responsibility...for something?
Can you elaborate that?
Seems like the poster wasn't clear on what you implied either.
People conjure their demons in order to avoid personal responsibility. Then they knock down their own demons, and it gives them a psychological boost.
You seemed to insinuate that the poster was conjuring his/her own demons to avoid personal responsibility. This is your own personal gnosis? They stated their opinion and you stated yours. Well, I disagreed with your personal gnosis, and you didn't like that either. It didn't appear to me that he was asking for your advice so much as asking for a clarification on your reply to him. He never asked for your advice in this thread.
indoc which is still and forever will be engraved on you.
Very nice.
I wish you peace and blessings, but
Mhmm.
rank liberal political bias wafting from the moderator
And to think how much I despise Democrat and Republican politicians equally.

I made a mistake posting that reply in the first place. Perhaps I misread something, felt some feelings, and wrote some words. Such is life.
 

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Intellectual debate hath this advantage over chess: when I am at a loss, I can just sneer, "It's is so pointless talking to you till you've read (insert book title here)!" Kind of like Lucky Jack Aubrey sailing his battered sloop into a fog bank before the Frenchies can deliver that last broadside.
Power, magical power, originates from the heart and mind operating in unison and articulated in words. Because individuals are, precisely that, individuals , establishing a unity between heart and mind such that the human will is being expressed in word, naturally, will vary to a degree. For some more than others. The differing sects which you described may, maybe, be cultivating from two different streams which are being fed from the same spring.
 

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It's easy. People conjure their demons in order to avoid personal responsibility. Then they knock down their own demons, and it gives them a psychological boost. It's some of the most common, often executed , least recognized, bits of sorcery. But it's counter-productive.
Thanks for that, definitely something worth thinking about and remembering. I'll note that for introspection, as I think it's interesting bit of information.
If I ever were a Christian, you would even have a good point for sure.
 

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. Some good friend will then say to him: "Even if you cannot exercise the remembrance of Buddha, you may, at least, utter the name, "Buddha Amitayus." Let him do so serenely with his voice uninterrupted; let him be (continually) thinking of Buddha until he has completed ten times the thought, repeating the formula, "Adoration to Buddha Amitayus" (Namah Amitabha Buddhayah, Namu Amida Butsu).
 

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Some good friend will then say to him: "Even if you cannot exercise the remembrance of Buddha, you may, at least, utter the name, "Buddha Amitayus." Let him do so serenely with his voice uninterrupted; let him be (continually) thinking of Buddha until he has completed ten times the thought, repeating the formula, "Adoration to Buddha Amitayus" (Namah Amitabha Buddhayah, Namu Amida Butsu).
if you cannot exercise the remembrance of Buddha, you may utter the name, "Buddha Amitayus."
 

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Not that I've seen, friend. They're very different. Compare Zen to Tibetan. At least one major distinction among buddhists: Siddhi or not? Also gods or not?
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^^ Playing the blame game is not healthy. The individual is conjuring their own demons. ^^

@HocusPocus , please take note of this. It will greatly aid you in all your endeavors, magical and mundane.


Gods are present in all forms it's just the focus are different, but they are to be revered. Siddhis are a yes in all branches as well, but they aren't just focused on.
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It's easy. People conjure their demons in order to avoid personal responsibility. Then they knock down their own demons, and it gives them a psychological boost. It's some of the most common, often executed , least recognized, bits of sorcery. But it's counter-productive.


I'm open to the fact that these ideas are my personal demons and thoughts manifesting at the same time though, there's alot of doctrine about experiencing your own suffering and 'transforming' yourself through it in all schools of Buddhism, paired with a helpless attitude where you simply sit there and accept the bad things.

That's what I'm trying to root out. Makes it difficult.
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Hey everyone I wanted to write a post to thank you all for your inputs, all the people I spoke to were helpful and provided some good insight and advice. I've decided to abandoned the Religion in general as it's no longer helpful to me and I need to improve my life. Whatever the truth maybe, I'll find out at the end of the day but my life isn't going in a good direction and I need to change that with whatever powers I can.
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if you cannot exercise the remembrance of Buddha, you may utter the name, "Buddha Amitayus."

10 times continually.
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10 times continually while thinking of the Buddha. Sorry forgot to include that part.

10 times continually here is alot more difficult then it sounds.
if you cannot exercise the remembrance of Buddha, you may utter the name, "Buddha Amitayus."
 
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10 times continually here is alot more difficult then it sounds.
???? Why would it be difficult to practice remembrance of the Buddha, if one chooses to do so.
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It is insurmountable to remember the Buddha ten times continually?
 
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???? Why would it be difficult to practice remembrance of the Buddha, if one chooses to do so.
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It is insurmountable to remember the Buddha ten times continually?


The amount of concentration you have at the time of death needs to be continuous akin to Samadhi, continually means no interruption, you cannot have other thoughts arise up actively.

Plus according to the Buddhist sources about what it's like when you die even for a normal person it is like a turtle being peeled from it's shell.
 

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The amount of concentration you have at the time of death needs to be continuous akin to Samadhi, continually means no interruption, you cannot have other thoughts arise up actively.
One: if you say so, that is, if the Amitabha does not escort you to the Pure Land, since that is the historical statement; Monk meets Amitabha Buddha, decides to go with him, dies the next day.

Two: The Amitabha practice is not identical to manually building up Samadhi by your own effort, through it's practice.
Remembering the Amitabha builds up Samadhi much more quickly than doing it by your own effort.

This is not a doctrine which is commonly espoused to be insurmountable. This is a doctrine which is commonly espoused to save the foolish and deluded. If you do not go to the Pure Land on death, that only an elite person can get anything out of it is contrary to the spirit of Honen, or the espoused vow.
 

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One: if you say so, that is, if the Amitabha does not escort you to the Pure Land, since that is the historical statement; Monk meets Amitabha Buddha, decides to go with him, dies the next day.

Two: The Amitabha practice is not identical to manually building up Samadhi by your own effort, through it's practice.
Remembering the Amitabha builds up Samadhi much more quickly than doing it by your own effort.

This is not a doctrine which is commonly espoused to be insurmountable. This is a doctrine which is commonly espoused to save the foolish and deluded. If you do not go to the Pure Land on death, that only an elite person can get anything out of it is contrary to the spirit of Honen, or the espoused vow.

Well as I said Honen and Shinran created their own doctrine, Honen I know to be tougher than Shinran's but the original tradition in China in my experience is quite difficult afaik.

I do agree with you that it makes more sense to be easy, that's why I was initially so into Amida Buddhism. But the more I listened to various respectable monks about it, the less it sounded like it. Who knows, I can't certainly say I am more of an authority than them. I do hope they're wrong and you're right, hell I hope you're right and we don't get forced to come back.

As per your two above point it's 50/50 you need to create a sympathetic resonance with the Buddha in order for him to reach out and help you but you will also need to put in your effort for his efforts to reach you.

I think I know what story you're referencing that Monk needed to chant continously for seven days with unsurmountable Samadhi.

Japanese Pureland has diverged in doctrine from Chinese Pureland, I honestly prefer it a bit more but we're not talking about our preferences here.
 

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I don't refer to an authority if I decide to practice remembrance of the Amitabha Buddha, I just do it. If I do it, after a few tries I am established in a continuous, lasting state of higher consciousness. Can get out of it if desired, but it seemingly requires no effort to sustain. You wake up and it is still there. Although consciousness is easier to acquire at this point in my life, I would not suggest such easy results otherwise typical for me. Remembering the Amitabha produces an remarkable access to sustained conciousness.

I do not call it an insurmountable practice; I call it a practice with remarkable results.

Certainly, I have put some practical effort in, earlier in my life. But I am not otherwise some advanced practitioner to acquire a remarkable result. I am not expansively versed in Buddhist texts. I do not consider myself especially virtuous to have acquired any remarkable sympathy with the Buddha, although I like to say I am not marred by neurotypical mind. In fact, I am gay and retarded. The texts state that Amitabha services people lower than myself.
 

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I don't refer to an authority if I decide to practice remembrance of the Amitabha Buddha, I just do it. If I do it, after a few tries I am established in a continuous, lasting state of higher consciousness. Can get out of it if desired, but it seemingly requires no effort to sustain. You wake up and it is still there. Although consciousness is easier to acquire at this point in my life, I would not suggest such easy results otherwise typical. Remembering the Amitabha produces an remarkable access to sustained conciousness.

Certainly, I have put some practical effort in, earlier in my life. But I am not otherwise some advanced practitioner to acquire a remarkable result. I am not expansively versed in Buddhist texts. I do not consider myself especially virtuous to have acquired any remarkable sympathy with the Buddha, apart from not being marred by a neurotypical mind. In fact, I am gay and retarded. The texts state that Amitabha services people lower than myself.

Well I don't know maybe you're special, maybe you have good karma, maybe the Buddha loves you? Really we won't know until we die and you decide to call on it.

Whenever I chant the Amitabha's name I just felt ... okay? I had a good dream that's about it, the rest of my life was still ass and I didn't feel too much better.

Maybe we both have different karmas according to how they explain it, or maybe it had no real power and it was in our respective minds. It's okay if you don't default on authority, it doesn't seem you were motivated by Rebirth in the Pureland but perhaps you were exploring and trying out spiritual practice.

For me I dreamed of the Purelands everyday because I wanted the suffering and sadness to end. That's why I was so concerned with it.
 

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Then you would presumably collect some benefit on your death.
If I aim at a practical result from it now, I can acquire a practical result now.

I don't call it an uncertain result; I call it a remarkable result. So, you can do whatever you wish, but it isn't that either conciousness practices or the Amida pracitce produce nothing. Perhaps a semi-whore like myself would wait some kalpas in the pure land.
 

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Then you would presumably collect some benefit on your death.
If I aim at a practical result from it now, I can acquire a practical result now.

I don't call it an uncertain result; I call it a remarkable result. So, you can do whatever you wish, but it isn't that either conciousness practices or the Amida pracitce produce nothing. Perhaps a semi-whore like myself would wait some kalpas in the pure land.

Well assuming an Asura or Demon doesn't trick me and I end up roasted somewhere.

I don't think you believe in traditional Buddhist afterlife anyways but assuming it's all real and we don't make it, and we have sufficient good Karma I might see you somewhere in the Tusita Heavens.

At least that's what most of the Monks said. I did have a dream about the Purelands, I don't know if that means I'm good or not. But it felt really nice.
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Oh I forgot to mention I did try for practical benefits as well, I tried to use it to reduce my lust and to attain Samadhi. Never really worked.
Then you would presumably collect some benefit on your death.
If I aim at a practical result from it now, I can acquire a practical result now.

I don't call it an uncertain result; I call it a remarkable result. So, you can do whatever you wish, but it isn't that either conciousness practices or the Amida pracitce produce nothing. Perhaps a semi-whore like myself would wait some kalpas in the pure land.
 

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Well assuming an Asura or Demon doesn't trick me and I end up roasted somewhere.
Well, that's all very interesting. I could only assume you might acquire more results if you put some of your own effort into meditation, since you haven't mentioned it, and it is also a common component in the occult. I cannot speak for reducing lust, as I do not care about reducing lust. If you're ever in the midwest, me and you could do it, and then I could induce a state of higher conciousness, as a joke. We could talk about my high karma, my buddha nature, how much the Buddha loves me, etc.
 

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I've decided to abandoned the Religion in general as it's no longer helpful to me and I need to improve my life. Whatever the truth maybe, I'll find out at the end of the day but my life isn't going in a good direction and I need to change that with whatever powers I can.

Smart. Best wishes,
 

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Well, that's all very interesting. I could only assume you might acquire more results if you put some of your own effort into meditation, since you haven't mentioned it, and it is also a common component in the occult. I cannot speak for reducing lust, as I do not care about reducing lust. If you're ever in the midwest, me and you could do it, and then I could induce a state of higher conciousness, as a joke. We could talk about my high karma, my buddha nature, how much the Buddha loves me, etc.

I do zhan zhuang/standing meditation and circle walking as part of my martial arts. That I agree yielded more results but nianfo/buddhist recitation should have helped do something at least,

Also you'd think that a Religion that emphasizes non-attachment and removal of your cravings would atleast be able to help you in that department. Instead all I got was more chanting, only thing I can say was good about it was I got slightly better than average concentration.
 

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Cannot speak for it, things happen if I chant. But then, I don't dedicate my effort to my death and the removal of cravings.
 

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a Religion that emphasizes non-attachment and removal of your cravings would atleast be able to help you in that department.

Please correct me? I have been told that the most consistent therapeutic benefit from Buddhist mediation and practice across various schools of Buddhist thought, east and west, targets suffering? And, it seems to be very popular for that? It seems that way, at least it among people of my general demographic.
 
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